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Black people don’t really matter but the loss of Charlie Kirk is a tragedy.

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QOrion · 14/09/2025 15:11

I posted this in response to a short thread on Feminism and Women’s Rights but I want more people to see it. I want to have my say, even if I’m late to the conversation, and even if most people don’t care. I don’t expect many replies but maybe I’ll make some people think about what I’m saying.

I guess none of you are black. It’s the only way you can go out of your way to highlight this man’s ’virtues’. I don’t believe anyone is born bad or is irredeemably bad, I guess that’s my Christian upbringing, but I also don’t understand the deification of this man and the need for many people on this website to paint him in the best possible light. He’s not the first public figure to be shot and killed, even this year. If those deaths were even mentioned on Mumsnet, they certainly weren’t given much attention.

I’d never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot and his death had little impact on me. I have serious issues in my own life, people are shot and killed in America every day and there is a lot of suffering going on around the world, a lot of atrocities committed. It didn’t seem to be an incident that affected me in any significant way, even when I discovered his position on transgender ideology. I share essentially the same position on transgender ideology with many people I don’t want to be associated with.

Then I read his comments about black people. I can’t wax lyrical about how Charlie Kirk was ‘decent’ and ‘respectful’. How, ‘Isn’t it nice he gave his political opponents a platform’. And I can’t feel any kind of kinship with people who, knowing what he’s said about black people, still feel compelled to highlight his good qualities.

Let me be clear: I don’t believe he should have been killed. I don’t even support the death penalty in any circumstance, so I can hardly support Charlie Kirk being killed. But I am learning, not for the first time, that Mumsnetters in general, and users of this subforum (FWR) tend to ignore black people and our concerns, until we are useful. Whether that is taking cases to court when much is made of the claimant’s ethnic heritage (why?) or the perennial ‘transgenderism is womanface, it’s offensive like blackface’.

You have no idea and I think it is possible you will never understand just how much slights about my ethnic heritage cut deep. Slights to my womanhood are pretty trivial in comparison. I think this is something white women will never understand. So, you go on singing the virtues of Charlie Kirk. We’ll be here the next time you need to exploit us for your own purposes.

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LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:55

Plastictreees · 15/09/2025 11:49

It is not possible to extract motive from that statement.

Don’t be ridiculous.

Plastictreees · 15/09/2025 11:58

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:55

Don’t be ridiculous.

If he did indeed say that, then he is describing what he did. He did ‘get’ (I assume he means stab) a white girl. It was a horrific crime. But we do not know why he did it. That sentence alone does not show motive.

He may have a psychotic illness. He may have just wanted to kill. He may hate white people. Nobody knows the motive at this stage.

JHound · 15/09/2025 11:59

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:55

Don’t be ridiculous.

So it appears you are believing Internet rumours and modified videos.The actual
CCTV has no sound.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:59

nomas · 15/09/2025 11:50

Can you share a link or the tweet? Because I've searched and can't see it. The CCTV is silent on the train.

If you’re looking for a news outlet, Newsmax, a US cable news channel that’s been around for 25+ years, have reported on it
https://www.newsmax.com/amp/newsfront/charlotte-north-carolina-stabbing/2025/09/09/id/1225653/

A New York Times journalist Andy NGO also retweeted it commenting on the content (the original post seems to have been deleted). See screenshot.

If you search for “I got white girl” on Twitter the videos has been shared loads. I don’t want to link as I think, like Facebook and instagram, sharing links “outs” your profile and I don’t want to put myself. But the videos are easy to find.

Black people don’t really matter but the loss of Charlie Kirk is a tragedy.
JHound · 15/09/2025 12:00

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:59

If you’re looking for a news outlet, Newsmax, a US cable news channel that’s been around for 25+ years, have reported on it
https://www.newsmax.com/amp/newsfront/charlotte-north-carolina-stabbing/2025/09/09/id/1225653/

A New York Times journalist Andy NGO also retweeted it commenting on the content (the original post seems to have been deleted). See screenshot.

If you search for “I got white girl” on Twitter the videos has been shared loads. I don’t want to link as I think, like Facebook and instagram, sharing links “outs” your profile and I don’t want to put myself. But the videos are easy to find.

The video has been edited to add sound and Andy Ngo is NOT a New York Time’s journalist.

nomas · 15/09/2025 12:03

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:59

If you’re looking for a news outlet, Newsmax, a US cable news channel that’s been around for 25+ years, have reported on it
https://www.newsmax.com/amp/newsfront/charlotte-north-carolina-stabbing/2025/09/09/id/1225653/

A New York Times journalist Andy NGO also retweeted it commenting on the content (the original post seems to have been deleted). See screenshot.

If you search for “I got white girl” on Twitter the videos has been shared loads. I don’t want to link as I think, like Facebook and instagram, sharing links “outs” your profile and I don’t want to put myself. But the videos are easy to find.

That is a far right website, not a news channel.

And you said you didn't need bionic ears to hear 'I got that white girl'., which implies you heard those words yourself.

Are you now saying you haven't actually heard the words yourself, you're relying on a far right website for facts?

nomas · 15/09/2025 12:04

JHound · 15/09/2025 12:00

The video has been edited to add sound and Andy Ngo is NOT a New York Time’s journalist.

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The video looks dodge AF. Is it going to add malware to my PC?

BollyKnickerz · 15/09/2025 12:04

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:36

As for Iryna Zarutska, i don’t care what anyone says, if she was the only black woman on a bus full of white people, who was stabbed by a white man then bled to death as white people watched and her killer said “I got the black girl”, there’d be total uproar and demands for bloods. There’d be riots. Nobody would be making excuses for her killer. But apparently racism only works one way

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100%

nomas · 15/09/2025 12:07

BollyKnickerz · 15/09/2025 12:04

100%

Since Layer can't link the video he says says 'I got that white girl', maybe you can help him?

BollyKnickerz · 15/09/2025 12:08

Hoardasurass · 15/09/2025 10:30

That's racist
Racism is the hatred of a group of people because of their skin colour, nationality or culture.
So yes people can and regularly are racist against white people and get away with it because of the nonsense that you and others spout.
White fragility is a made up term to dismiss the push back against anti white racism.
Shame on you for spreading such devicive racist bs

Well said. And it's about time too.

It's divisive poison. Designed to corner and beat down white people so that they can then be brainwashed and manipulated. That's called domination, not equality. Apparently the "clever" one's are the one's drinking this toxic kool aid.

JHound · 15/09/2025 12:09

Also Newsmax may have been around for 25 years but they simply reshared Ngo’s tweet with no verification.

Researching them online shows they are a far right channel not an independent news source.

Hoardasurass · 15/09/2025 12:09

5128gap · 15/09/2025 10:54

No, that is a very over simplified definition of racism, that comes from the same mind set as those who believe misandry is the equal opposite of misogyny.
Hatred for a group is just the first part of the equation. To translate that into harm, the hater needs power over the object of their hatred. So while all hatred of a group based solely on their membership of that group is equally wrong, the impact of that hatred is not equal.
If you disagree, I'd be interested in your examples of the harm being caused to white people as a group, by the racism you believe they experience from POC. And I don't mean an anecdote about a white person treated badly by a black employer, I mean at a societal level.

Ok socital harms just a few for you
Rotherham and all those "white trash" little girls who were labelled as prostitutes etc (quote from a police report).
The RAF's illegal positive discrimination hiring practices, same with the police system for hiring and advancement.
The two teir policing of the internet.
The way casual anti white racism is excused.
The one way colour blind casting of only white historical figures.
The denigrating of British history.
The rewriting of history to falsely claim that the British started the slave trade/transatlantic slave trade both lies (slavery goes back atleast as far as ancient mesopatainia (sp) and the Portuguese started the transatlantic slave trade and the Spanish expanded it).
I could go on but it would take to long but when people can and are fired and kicked off collage courses for disagreeing with enforced critical race theory training or the horrific micro aggression racism of saying happy Christmas to a non Christian and white working class boys do worst in education there's a huge problem with the harms of anti white racism.
The fact that you want to change the agreed meaning of racism to excuse anti white racism and push the racist critical race theory and are being enabled to do so is also harmful to all in society both white and people of colour as it speaks hate and encourages devision

JHound · 15/09/2025 12:10

BollyKnickerz · 15/09/2025 12:04

100%

There has literally been evidence posted here showing this is not true but also the CCTV has no sound.
The claims of what he said have been created on social media.

BollyKnickerz · 15/09/2025 12:14

TreesTreesBeesBees · 15/09/2025 11:26

I think the small amount of coverage that story generated compared to Charlie Kirk might help illustrate he didn't get the coverage because he was white as alleged but because he was famous. Very famous especially with younger people. His coverage wasn't because he was white since this young white woman barely got a mention and she was also white.

Her tragic story is being discussed more. A white refugee from Ukraine stabbed by a madman for just being white. 'Ive seen the uncut video, he said he ended that white 'b' life and walked off. A race crime.

It's absolutely a race crime.

Not a popular profile of a victim. The liberal left like black and brown victims to flex their virtue signalling. In fact, the liberal left like black and brown perpetrators too - they'll soon find excuses for them.

It's very uncool to be white. That video should be all over Mumsnet with rage from posters. But oh no. Let's keep having these "white bashing" threads rammed down our throats. And still the liberals will get on their knees to be whipped

JHound · 15/09/2025 12:15

BollyKnickerz · 15/09/2025 12:14

It's absolutely a race crime.

Not a popular profile of a victim. The liberal left like black and brown victims to flex their virtue signalling. In fact, the liberal left like black and brown perpetrators too - they'll soon find excuses for them.

It's very uncool to be white. That video should be all over Mumsnet with rage from posters. But oh no. Let's keep having these "white bashing" threads rammed down our throats. And still the liberals will get on their knees to be whipped

This is hysterical!😆

5128gap · 15/09/2025 12:17

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 15/09/2025 11:36

As for Iryna Zarutska, i don’t care what anyone says, if she was the only black woman on a bus full of white people, who was stabbed by a white man then bled to death as white people watched and her killer said “I got the black girl”, there’d be total uproar and demands for bloods. There’d be riots. Nobody would be making excuses for her killer. But apparently racism only works one way

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If your argument that racism only works one way rests on your speculation as to what would be the case in a scenario that has not occurred, then you should not expect to garner much support, other than from the choir you're preaching to. Views are changed with proof and evidence. Do you have any proof that racism only works one way? Or are we once again failing to understand the difference between opinion and fact?

Tandora · 15/09/2025 12:21

BollyKnickerz · 15/09/2025 12:14

It's absolutely a race crime.

Not a popular profile of a victim. The liberal left like black and brown victims to flex their virtue signalling. In fact, the liberal left like black and brown perpetrators too - they'll soon find excuses for them.

It's very uncool to be white. That video should be all over Mumsnet with rage from posters. But oh no. Let's keep having these "white bashing" threads rammed down our throats. And still the liberals will get on their knees to be whipped

What the hell is this utter poison you are spouting.

White victims get way more attention that victims of colour - why do you think it is that all the most famous missing children cases of white children, whereas the majority of children who actually go missing are black and brown? Look at how much coverage the terrible case of Sara Everard and how much publicity and outrage there was.

Hoardasurass · 15/09/2025 12:23

nomas · 15/09/2025 11:13

Do you see the irony in demanding evidence of CK's racism but then when you're asked for some of the names of the people you say were celebrating his murder, you suddenly clam up and say 'I won't be engaging further'.

I gave you names and you dismissed them but here's some
Here's the article about the councilor
Councillor resigns after sparking fury over Charlie Kirk post https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15088951/Councillor-resigns-sparking-fury-Charlie-Kirk-post-saying-brought-assassination-himself.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

And the one about bob vylon
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/14/bob-vylan-inciting-pogrom-amsterdam-charlie-kirk-idf/

Then theres people like Sophie Molly and those who are being sacked left right and center but no you demand that I go trolling through blue-sky and list off the names of everyone who is celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk but that's ok because I asked for evidence of anything racist that he said instead of taking your word for it, even after I explained why that evidence was needed.
So no not irony just me not being willing to engage further with disingenuous posters like yourself

Councillor resigns after sparking fury over Charlie Kirk post

Mr Kirk, a married father of two, was struck in the neck by a single bullet while speaking about mass shootings at a university campus in Utah yesterday, with a manhunt still underway.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15088951/Councillor-resigns-sparking-fury-Charlie-Kirk-post-saying-brought-assassination-himself.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

5128gap · 15/09/2025 12:32

Hoardasurass · 15/09/2025 12:09

Ok socital harms just a few for you
Rotherham and all those "white trash" little girls who were labelled as prostitutes etc (quote from a police report).
The RAF's illegal positive discrimination hiring practices, same with the police system for hiring and advancement.
The two teir policing of the internet.
The way casual anti white racism is excused.
The one way colour blind casting of only white historical figures.
The denigrating of British history.
The rewriting of history to falsely claim that the British started the slave trade/transatlantic slave trade both lies (slavery goes back atleast as far as ancient mesopatainia (sp) and the Portuguese started the transatlantic slave trade and the Spanish expanded it).
I could go on but it would take to long but when people can and are fired and kicked off collage courses for disagreeing with enforced critical race theory training or the horrific micro aggression racism of saying happy Christmas to a non Christian and white working class boys do worst in education there's a huge problem with the harms of anti white racism.
The fact that you want to change the agreed meaning of racism to excuse anti white racism and push the racist critical race theory and are being enabled to do so is also harmful to all in society both white and people of colour as it speaks hate and encourages devision

Most of your post is conflating actions with outcomes. I asked you for evidence of harm (outcomes), not for actions you believe will cause harm.
The only outcomes you have mentioned are people being removed from college courses and dismissed from jobs. Forgive me if I don't simply accept your word for it, there has been a great deal of confusion of opinion and evidenced fact on these threads, so can you provide proof of a pattern of behaviour of white people being dismissed as a result of the racism of POC?
The achievements of white working class boys is also an outcome. But again, can you provide me with the evidence that links their poorer outcomes to their being white, and bring rooted in racism against them, as oppose to being rooted in social class and wealth inequality for example?

nomas · 15/09/2025 12:33

Hoardasurass · 15/09/2025 12:23

I gave you names and you dismissed them but here's some
Here's the article about the councilor
Councillor resigns after sparking fury over Charlie Kirk post https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15088951/Councillor-resigns-sparking-fury-Charlie-Kirk-post-saying-brought-assassination-himself.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

And the one about bob vylon
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/14/bob-vylan-inciting-pogrom-amsterdam-charlie-kirk-idf/

Then theres people like Sophie Molly and those who are being sacked left right and center but no you demand that I go trolling through blue-sky and list off the names of everyone who is celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk but that's ok because I asked for evidence of anything racist that he said instead of taking your word for it, even after I explained why that evidence was needed.
So no not irony just me not being willing to engage further with disingenuous posters like yourself

So 2 people? Whilst I disagree with them, 2 people is hardly indicative of the 'left celebrating' his murder.

Look at the comments of Biden, Obama, Harris, Starmer et al - all of them condemned the attack.

Whilst Trump and Musk tweeted crap like 'The left is a party of murder' and 'this is left violence'.

JHound · 15/09/2025 12:33

Tandora · 15/09/2025 12:21

What the hell is this utter poison you are spouting.

White victims get way more attention that victims of colour - why do you think it is that all the most famous missing children cases of white children, whereas the majority of children who actually go missing are black and brown? Look at how much coverage the terrible case of Sara Everard and how much publicity and outrage there was.

I think people like that are impervious to facts.

malificent7 · 15/09/2025 12:38

Well he was a white supremacist. Too bad he was shot but I don't think his views were great l.

SpaceRaccoon · 15/09/2025 12:41

So, can you explain why you are linking the views of a black woman in the UK and those who agree with her that CK was racist, with the circumstances that caused the death of a white man at the hands of another white man?

Wtf are you asking me that when I did nothing of the sort, but the OP literally started a whole thread about it?

Hoardasurass · 15/09/2025 12:49

5128gap · 15/09/2025 12:32

Most of your post is conflating actions with outcomes. I asked you for evidence of harm (outcomes), not for actions you believe will cause harm.
The only outcomes you have mentioned are people being removed from college courses and dismissed from jobs. Forgive me if I don't simply accept your word for it, there has been a great deal of confusion of opinion and evidenced fact on these threads, so can you provide proof of a pattern of behaviour of white people being dismissed as a result of the racism of POC?
The achievements of white working class boys is also an outcome. But again, can you provide me with the evidence that links their poorer outcomes to their being white, and bring rooted in racism against them, as oppose to being rooted in social class and wealth inequality for example?

Hello all the raped and trafficked white girls from Rotherham are outcomes of anti white racism! Same with all the white candidates who weren't hired by the RAF or police because they are white
You now seem to be asking for me to name individuals who have been harmed when before you explicitly asked for socital harms, so which do you want?
You can try and dismiss/ignore the harms of anti white racism to socital cohesion all you want but you do so at the peril of everyone, when the inevitable backlash happens and we get a reform government dont say we didn't warn you

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