Black people don’t really matter but the loss of Charlie Kirk is a tragedy.

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I posted this in response to a short thread on Feminism and Women’s Rights but I want more people to see it. I want to have my say, even if I’m late to the conversation, and even if most people don’t care. I don’t expect many replies but maybe I’ll make some people think about what I’m saying.

I guess none of you are black. It’s the only way you can go out of your way to highlight this man’s ’virtues’. I don’t believe anyone is born bad or is irredeemably bad, I guess that’s my Christian upbringing, but I also don’t understand the deification of this man and the need for many people on this website to paint him in the best possible light. He’s not the first public figure to be shot and killed, even this year. If those deaths were even mentioned on Mumsnet, they certainly weren’t given much attention.

I’d never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot and his death had little impact on me. I have serious issues in my own life, people are shot and killed in America every day and there is a lot of suffering going on around the world, a lot of atrocities committed. It didn’t seem to be an incident that affected me in any significant way, even when I discovered his position on transgender ideology. I share essentially the same position on transgender ideology with many people I don’t want to be associated with.

Then I read his comments about black people. I can’t wax lyrical about how Charlie Kirk was ‘decent’ and ‘respectful’. How, ‘Isn’t it nice he gave his political opponents a platform’. And I can’t feel any kind of kinship with people who, knowing what he’s said about black people, still feel compelled to highlight his good qualities.

Let me be clear: I don’t believe he should have been killed. I don’t even support the death penalty in any circumstance, so I can hardly support Charlie Kirk being killed. But I am learning, not for the first time, that Mumsnetters in general, and users of this subforum (FWR) tend to ignore black people and our concerns, until we are useful. Whether that is taking cases to court when much is made of the claimant’s ethnic heritage (why?) or the perennial ‘transgenderism is womanface, it’s offensive like blackface’.

You have no idea and I think it is possible you will never understand just how much slights about my ethnic heritage cut deep. Slights to my womanhood are pretty trivial in comparison. I think this is something white women will never understand. So, you go on singing the virtues of Charlie Kirk. We’ll be here the next time you need to exploit us for your own purposes.

It's so outrageously misogynistic it could be a Brasseye skit! Groups of hundreds of men playing 'The Rape Game' in the middle of the town centre with no fucks given.

Even just reading the notes so far .it was a terrible tragedy..

The police statement identified five key areas as being 'group pressure, absence of police intervention, frustrations of migrants, disinhibition caused by alcohol and/or drug use, and disinhibition due to lack of social ties with indigenous German society'.

exactly. It’s about structural forms of disadvantage and disenfranchisement, including due to racism, in German society.

And when they do it in middle eastern society as has been happening for decades?

Maybe a bit late to the party here and hoping someone has already mentioned this to you but what about Nia Wilson? Do you even know her name? In case not, she was the young black girl who at a train station had her throat slit by a white man. Where were her murals painted? Where was the outrage for her?
(I am white btw but not trying to stir racial hatred as it appears you are trying to do).

There was quite a bit of coverage of this I remember. It was a pretty sickening case.

But nothing like the outrage about Iryna Zarutska. You didn't hear Musk and such like offering millions for murals to be painted of her.

I'm not trying to take anything away from her killing, it was awful but @BollyKnickerz is trying to make it a race thing when I guarantee she doesn't shout about Nia Wilson.

The cases are strikingly similar tbf. Both seem to have involved a murderer with serious MH issues. The wiki page for Iryna's murder is actually the sole link in the 'see also' section of Nia's page.

And when they do it in middle eastern society

who’s “they”? What is “middle eastern society”? Can you not hear the absurd , sweeping generalisations you are making?

did white Jesus tell you all that? After all you have created your God in your image.

I hadn't heard of Charlie Kirk until he was shot. I've read something about him now, watched some of his debates. I disagree with a very great deal of things he held dear - but he was shot for speaking his opinions. My mind goes to KJK's Let Women Speak meetings. Men will gather and threaten and drown out their voices. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech. Not a bullet.

Little secret that is well known, but perhaps only to those who see … Christ Jesus wasn’t white. I know, right!? 😱