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Charlie Kirk- and the reality

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Tandora · 13/09/2025 20:14

So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

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Tandora · 14/09/2025 08:25

YourLemonTiger · 14/09/2025 08:21

Maybe he was just an apolitical young man who spent too much time online, getting angry and frustrated and unfortunately for charlie kirk he became an easy target for the anger and frustration?

Tbh since I wrote the above comment I've read today's news and changed my mind. It turns out he had a trans woman partner who he lived with (who is cooperating with the fbi and currently not thought to be involved) and they were both heavily involved in left wing politics.

Apparently the FBI are looking into a leftwing groups social media account that was deleted shortly after the murder which they think could hold evidence.

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Do you have an actual reliable/ reputable source for this info ?

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Spiderx · 14/09/2025 08:26

Agree but also disgusted by the 'glee' in Trumps face when he said the assasin should get the death penalty

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 14/09/2025 08:26

Muffinmam · 14/09/2025 08:11

What??? Do you not know the difference between left and right wing??

He was left wing and lived with a transvestite. There are reports that he was in a sexual relationship with this transvestite but some say they were just roommates.

How can you misread a situation so entirely wrong?!

The facts are as follows:

  1. Tyler Robinson assassinated a Charlie Kirk for exercising free speech.
  2. The transvestite “friend or sexual partner” had knowledge of what Tyler Robinson did (either before or after the event)
  3. Utah is a death penalty State.

Those are not facts those are opinions that you have formed from reading uncredible news reports and regurgitating it here.

It’s actually terrifying how easily people are indoctrinated and how quickly propaganda works. Please use your brain and ask why you are being fed certain information.

History tells us that government and law enforcement interference in investigations like this is highly common. Evidence is often distorted and fabricated. Don’t believe anything coming out in the press. And unless he has the very best lawyer, don’t believe everything coming out at trial either. Justice does not exist in the USA.

placemats · 14/09/2025 08:27

Teanbiscuits33 · 14/09/2025 05:41

@DinaGoth She did it to me on a seperate post because she didn’t like what I was saying and tried to shut me down by just repeatedly copying and pasting.

She also has a habit of projecting her behaviour on to others. I have tried to have calm discussion and I have been called a ‘cultist’ ‘hateful’ and told that I’m projecting, but she can’t see that she’s spewing hate and anger towards others with no basis, and she’s calling people ‘radicalised left cult members’ but just repeating the same posts about the murderer being leftist with no evidence whatsoever, just pure faith - just like a cult member 😂

I really wouldn’t bother.

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Yes don't bother. That trolling behaviour is called "copypasta".

MeTooOverHere · 14/09/2025 08:28

Muffinmam · 14/09/2025 08:13

I disagree. Tyler Robinson was indoctrinated into left wing ideology at University.

A right wing person is not going to assassinate one of his own.

😁😂😆 Long bow there.

"He briefly attended Utah State University in Logan for one semester that fall, the school confirmed to Reuters.
It was not immediately clear why he left, but Dixie Technical College, part of Utah's public university system, confirmed that he is a third-year student in the school's electrical apprenticeship program."

Tandora · 14/09/2025 08:28

inamarina · 14/09/2025 08:24

The fact the far left including transactivists are celebrating his death is deeply worrying, and really finishes the view of the “tolerant left” and “gentle trans people who just wanna pee”.

I think this is a very important point. Whatever the shooter’s actual motive was, there were plenty of people online celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death because they regarded him as a “fascist” or simply disagreed with his views.
That in itself was pretty scary.

What about all the people who celebrated the death of osama bin laden or Sadam Hussain? In this country people celebrated the death of Margaret thatcher which I found despicable. If you are a divisive , public figure this happens- there’s nothing original or surprising about it at all, nor is it limited to one culture or political group- it’s across the board. (And again really nothing to do with trans people).

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KimberleyClark · 14/09/2025 08:30

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 14/09/2025 08:26

Those are not facts those are opinions that you have formed from reading uncredible news reports and regurgitating it here.

It’s actually terrifying how easily people are indoctrinated and how quickly propaganda works. Please use your brain and ask why you are being fed certain information.

History tells us that government and law enforcement interference in investigations like this is highly common. Evidence is often distorted and fabricated. Don’t believe anything coming out in the press. And unless he has the very best lawyer, don’t believe everything coming out at trial either. Justice does not exist in the USA.

The way people keep repeating the trans thing reminds me of the way people kept repeating that Jean Charles de Menezes ran away when challenged by the police eve after the police had clarified that he was never challenged and didn’t run. People just repeating what they want to believe.

YourLemonTiger · 14/09/2025 08:30

Tandora · 14/09/2025 08:25

Do you have an actual reliable/ reputable source for this info ?

Look online, it's being reported on various news sites.

Tandora · 14/09/2025 08:32

YourLemonTiger · 14/09/2025 08:30

Look online, it's being reported on various news sites.

I’ve looked and it’s not being reported by any respectable/ reliable source. It’s just a rumour like many others which appear to be false .

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meeleymanatee · 14/09/2025 08:34

Tandora · 14/09/2025 08:32

I’ve looked and it’s not being reported by any respectable/ reliable source. It’s just a rumour like many others which appear to be false .

Which news sources will you accept as reliable. Let me guess - just the guardian?

FOJN · 14/09/2025 08:34

Spiderx · 14/09/2025 08:26

Agree but also disgusted by the 'glee' in Trumps face when he said the assasin should get the death penalty

I agree, Trump is often misrepresented in the media so I'm glad I heard that at the time and didn't have to go and fact check it. Iirc he said he hopes he's convicted and gets the death penalty. I'm not sure how things work in the US but that seems like a really stupid thing to say. The suspect is in custody, the FBI are investigating and no matter how obvious his guilt might seem or how heinous the crime I believe he still has a right to a fair trial and Trump's comments are really fucking unhelpful.

OneZippyRobin · 14/09/2025 08:35

He lived with his transgender partner?? Says it all really a messed up individual, Charlie is right RIP.

MeTooOverHere · 14/09/2025 08:37

OneZippyRobin · 14/09/2025 08:35

He lived with his transgender partner?? Says it all really a messed up individual, Charlie is right RIP.

No he was sharing with 2 other guys, neither of whom seem to be transitioning and neither of whom seem to be in a relationship with him.

KimberleyClark · 14/09/2025 08:37

OneZippyRobin · 14/09/2025 08:35

He lived with his transgender partner?? Says it all really a messed up individual, Charlie is right RIP.

He lived with two room mates. Neither of whom were trans. HTH.

Tandora · 14/09/2025 08:38

meeleymanatee · 14/09/2025 08:34

Which news sources will you accept as reliable. Let me guess - just the guardian?

Of course not- I don’t even particularly like the guardian. I will accept any mainstream news source across the political spectrum . Although even those can get things wrong - (for example the bbc retracted their initial statement that Kirk’s wife and kids were present at/ witnessed the murder -) they are more likely to be cautious about what they report and to quickly correct unverified info.

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YourLemonTiger · 14/09/2025 08:38

Tandora · 14/09/2025 08:32

I’ve looked and it’s not being reported by any respectable/ reliable source. It’s just a rumour like many others which appear to be false .

It's in the Sunday Times about the TIM partner is that legitimate enough for you?
I can't remember where I read the but about the left wing group being looked into after deleting their profile though.

MeTooOverHere · 14/09/2025 08:38

Robinson was admitted to Utah State University while receiving the college’s presidential scholarship, the “highest academic scholarship” the school offers, university rep Amanda DeRito told The New York Post.

But the accused killer spent just one semester at the Logan school in fall 2021 before he took a leave of absence for reasons the school could not disclose, she said.

Tandora · 14/09/2025 08:40

YourLemonTiger · 14/09/2025 08:38

It's in the Sunday Times about the TIM partner is that legitimate enough for you?
I can't remember where I read the but about the left wing group being looked into after deleting their profile though.

Ok well I acknowledge that is news to me. Are they reporting this as fact or as rumour? If you have the archived article please link as the ST is behind a paywall.

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Bagsintheboot · 14/09/2025 08:40

OneZippyRobin · 14/09/2025 08:35

He lived with his transgender partner?? Says it all really a messed up individual, Charlie is right RIP.

No, he lived with a roommate. The roommate's family member who is the "source" for all the speculation in the NY Post (which has incredibly poor journalism) said: their family member lived with TR, they didn't know if he was trans, and they couldn't comment on any romantic relationship.

Seriously, read the NY Post article properly.

In order words: THERE IS FUCK ALL EVIDENCE THAT TR HAD A TRANS PARTNER

EdithBond · 14/09/2025 08:40

RowanRed90 · 14/09/2025 07:39

It's not guns that kill kids, it's mentally ill people. Southport demonstrated that no gun is needed to kill children. If someone wants to, they will.

I’m in UK, where it’s unlawful to have guns (or any other weapon) on the street. So, in answer to your question, @Tandora, we don’t need to learn anything from it, other than to make sure our gun laws are robust to prevent people carrying guns in public.

@RowanRed90 Guns do kill people. In fact, their only purpose is to frighten, hurt or kill people (or other creatures). Which is why they should be illegal.

Yes, of course someone intent on frightening, hurting or killing other people can use other means: their bare hands or a knife. But only when right next to them and with some force. The victim is forewarned and has much more chance to escape or fight them off. Guns can inflict harm by accident, from a long distance or through doors/windows. So, people can be unaware they’re at risk and it’s very hard to protect themselves or escape. Plus anyone can be killed by a stray bullet.

As knives are a kitchen essential, it’s impossible to restrict access, as can happen with guns. But it’s certainly unlawful to carry them in public.

The motivation of a killer is irrelevant, political or otherwise. Anyone who wants to kill is clearly morally bankrupt or mentally/psychologically unwell. Even if they rationalise it to themselves that it’s because they’re being paid or the world will be a better place. Clearly, it’s sick to believe it’s OK to kill.

Sadly, some people have limited episodes of being so unstable they want to kill. Access to a gun means there’s far more chance that short period of instability results in them taking a life and ruining their own (and those of both families) in the process. Tragic.

That’s why easy access to mental health services and help out of organised criminal gangs or to combat online grooming, as a health issue, with safeguarding at the heart, is essential.

Zonder · 14/09/2025 08:41

RingoJuice · 14/09/2025 05:30

This has aged very badly OP.

Are you going to go back to your comment on another CK post which aged rather badly? Plenty of people picked you up on it.

Bagsintheboot · 14/09/2025 08:42

YourLemonTiger · 14/09/2025 08:38

It's in the Sunday Times about the TIM partner is that legitimate enough for you?
I can't remember where I read the but about the left wing group being looked into after deleting their profile though.

Can you link to the article? I've googled and can't find it.

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 14/09/2025 08:42

KimberleyClark · 14/09/2025 08:30

The way people keep repeating the trans thing reminds me of the way people kept repeating that Jean Charles de Menezes ran away when challenged by the police eve after the police had clarified that he was never challenged and didn’t run. People just repeating what they want to believe.

Exactly this. I’m a lawyer and I often don’t recognise my cases when they’re reported in the press. I ignore the media speculation on cases like this. There’s no such thing as a free press- they all have an agenda, some less obvious than others.

Only trial reports are relevant, and only if the defendant has top tier legal representation. In my career I’ve uncovered hidden evidence and lies - this is through knowing where to dig for evidence, which buttons to push, and reading between the lines to focus on what has been left unsaid.

But this comes from experience of knowing what you should expect from an investigation done correctly, how to seek evidence in a way that will get results. Problem is that the boy will likely be assigned a public defender who is barely out of college and unable to cope with the pressure from all sides. The lawyer will do a hachet job, and we will likely never know the truth - only what was presented to us by the prosecution. Think Lucy Letby- she deserved better legal representation.

supercali77 · 14/09/2025 08:44

YourLemonTiger · 14/09/2025 08:30

Look online, it's being reported on various news sites.

Nope. The same sources as yesterday. It starts with the New York Post. Other 'news sources' incl the hindustan times, the indian times, refer back to the NY Post article.

In that NY Post article the sources they speak to do NOT refer to the roommate as his partner. The article however interchangeably uses the terms room mate and partner. There were other roommates living in the same apartment. Not to mention there is no evidence this room mate was actually transitioning besides a photo of them wearing a onesie with long hair.

The point is. Maybe they are transitioning. Maybe they were partners. But so far there is no actual facts to support either assertion. It's idle tittle tattle.

YourLemonTiger · 14/09/2025 08:45

Tandora · 14/09/2025 08:40

Ok well I acknowledge that is news to me. Are they reporting this as fact or as rumour? If you have the archived article please link as the ST is behind a paywall.

The Times is reporting it as news, in a news item, not an opinion piece.
I'm sorry I don't have a share token because it's not my account I read The Times on 😁

Aa you've said you accept any mainstream news sources I've looked around and the Daily Mail and GB news website came up high in the results list as well. Neither are my sort of thing but they ard both mainstream.

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