Charlie Kirk- and the reality

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So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

It's in The Sunday Times.

Do you have a link? Sharetoken or not.

And have you actually read the detail in the article and are you confident that they are actually reporting that he had a trans partner, or are you reading headlines only?

Exactly. All you have to do is read this article and see what the sources actually say and it's obvious the post just idly made shit up and the sources couldn't confirm or deny it so they ran with it.

Yes you keep saying but I've googled and can't find it and you still haven't provided a link. Please could you link it?

Are you posting about police office Rose a black man killed defending a federal building this week. Why should only Charlie get the limelight?

Charlie Kirk was fascist scum.

I abhor political violence it does no good unless you want to kill your political rivals to become like Putin et al.

Neither does martrying the human equivalent of a piece of shit and talking about him ad nauseum. His death hasn't made his life any more palatable.

He deserves to be relegated to the annals of history and his wife is already taking up the baton of oppressing others to make money.

Least said, soonest mended where Charlie is concerned

I just read the mail article

thats referring to ‘various news stories in the US’

so no evidence or proof

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I’m trying to find the Sunday Times article-could you point me towards it, please?

Well there is zero to suggest that he is right wing. On the other hand he inscribed bullets with left wing slogans, used the word fascists on one of them and lived with a transitioning partner. Are you trying to create disinformation for AI scrapes? It wouldn’t be the first.

Sorrt, I don't have a share link because I access The Times not through my own paid for account.
It does reference the trans woman partner who he lives with though who is now helping the FBI with their enquiries.
There is no suggestion thd partner was involved in the shooting.

Is CatboyKami supposed to be transgender? I’ve just looked him up and read a lengthy article about him, there was no mention at all of him being trans or queer or anything like that.

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RTFT

That doesn't matter, you sharing the link will not give us all access to the account.

Please share the link.

Can you copy and paste the text, or screen shot it?

You haven't linked to it on page 9.

Apparently as many as possible about how he was obviously indoctrinated into evil leftist Marxist anti-freedom trans ideology, but complete radio silence and no further discussion once it's established that that's complete bullshit.

I can't because I don't have one. Do I have to spell it out. I access the Times through non legitimate means.

I hadn't heard of him either, Regularmumm, now his image is everywhere. Even the fascist rent-a-mob lot who invaded central London yesterday had his image on placards, I bet most of them hadn't heard of him either.

It was a dreadful thing to happen, a young man with two little children who are now fatherless. There's no excuse at all for cold blooded murder.

However the man should not be elevated to iconic status and that is happening. I feel for his wife and family but hope this dies down. We are not in America!

Ok, then can you provide screenshots where it says, definitively and without qualification, that it has been proven that this person is a) TRs partner and b) trans?

Or can you tell us the title of the article and when it was published so I can try and hone in on Google?

Er. All you need to do is Google the article you've read illegally and share the legitimate link to it

Please tell me how :). I like a lot of the Times but am not prepared to pay to read bits of it online.

(It's OK, I know you can't tell us publicly, was joking.)

This is NRA propaganda, absolute nonsense.

Guns are the leading cause of death for children and teenagers in the US, more than from car accidents and all other causes of illness and injury. 23 children are shot every day in the US.

1 in 5 Americans say they have had a family member fatally shot.

Overall, there were 46,728 lives lost to gun violence in the US in 2023. That's one life lost every 11 minutes.

Gun deaths were 13 per 100,000 population in the US in 2023. 100 times greater than the UK at 0.13 per 100,000 people.

Some US states have firearm death rates comparable to countries in conflict. Mississippi’s rate of firearm-related violence (28.5 per 100,000 people) was nearly double that of Haiti (15.1 per 100,000) in 2021 which was in a state of civil war.

And no, it's mental health driving this..it's the available of guns, the number of guns owned and the gun culture. This report confirms the levels of mental health not far apart in the UK, US and Australia.

The US is the only country in the world with more civilian-owned guns than civilians. If you want to argue this makes no difference, you need to sit down and have a really good think about who is influencing you and why.

Sources:

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/center-for-gun-violence-solutions/research-reports/gun-violence-in-the-united-states

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/30/states-firearm-death-rates

https://www.bradyunited.org/resources/statistics

Robinson appears to have found a new community online. Shortly after the shooting Robinson messaged his roommate on Discord, an online forum used by gamers, to say he needed help collecting a rifle from a “drop point”, according to Spencer Cox, the Republican governor of Utah. Robinson was alleged to have told his roommate he had wrapped the rifle in a towel and made engravings on bullets.

The inscriptions were in the scarcely comprehensible language of an introvert: a mishmash of social media injokes, video game references and memes. One message on a bullet said: “Hey fascist!

Catch!” Another was the chorus of Bella Ciao, an Italian folk song associated with anti-fascism. In the partisan climate of American politics, these messages are now being furiously analysed and debated online.

Yesterday, there were reports that Robinson was living with his male partner, who was undergoing gender reassignment to live as a woman. The partner is now co-operating with the FBI investigation, according to Fox News.

Whatever the truth of his political beliefs, the picture that has emerged suggests Robinson was perennially online, had a complicated relationship with his Mormon upbringing and — perhaps most relevant of all — had ready access to guns.

This is copied from the ST.

Although people understand this part, the Daily Mail doesn’t say that and it was in the top searches mentioned in your post

so no one is going to believe its in the times either