Charlie Kirk- and the reality

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So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

Are you reading my posts or just reacting to them?

I didn’t say having republican parents meant he was right wing. I said we knew very little about his political beliefs but the only facts we have suggest he is likely to be right wing and that he comes from a republican family/ culture .

This is true.

This is wholly unsubstantiated. The roommate, Lance, is one of two roommates. His pictures show him looking very much male in male clothing. The other roommate says he is not aware of either Lance or Tyler being trans. If either were transitioning to female, why would they keep such obviously male names?

And use your critical thinking skills for a second. Let’s assume, without any evidence, that his college roommate was trans. How is that a motive?! How does that connect the killing to the trans community in any way? Using that logic - he’s Republican since all his close family are too. Using that logic, we should also be investigating the views of the third roommate, since that would impute a motive on Tyler.

It’s nonsense that the right wing press in the US keep putting out lies and people are buying it. Before they said that the bullet casings were inscribed with pro trans sentiment. False. They said that Kirk’s children were in the crowd to witness his murder. False. They said that Kirk was in critical condition at the hospital. False (in fact Trump slipped up and admitted he knew he was dead straight away - despite seeking prayers for Kirk).

Why do people care so much anyway. Trump has moved on- he keeps redirecting questions about Kirk from reporters and showing off about his new ballroom instead. Likely because the narrative of a white Utah Christian and Republican raised man being the culprit doesn’t fit his agenda - it’s old news to him so why are so many people still trying to do the propaganda for him?

It does not make it ‘likely’

having republican parents and wearing a maga hat make it ‘likely’ you are republican

having republican parents and killing Charlie Kirk makes it ‘unlikely’

What do we take from it, OP? That you have made a fool of yourself by posting this before you knew the full facts.

And if guns are readily available, a lot more of them will do it and a lot more children will die. Southport was a rare tragedy here. If we had gun access like America then, like America, we would have these horrors occurring on a frequent basis with higher casualty counts. That's why gun control works.

There is much to be done on treatment of mental illness, of prevention of radicalisation and the coordination of agencies to identify risk and do something about it. Solutions that require funding and aren't profit-driven. Billionaires would prefer that everyone keeps buying guns, making profits and killing each other rather than work on a societal solution.

In the meantime, there are people who want to kill and if those people have access to assault rifles, they can kill a lot of people very easily.

Best not to make it easier for them by allowing them to own assault rifles then

He is a white man from Utah, from a family who are registered republicans / trump supporters. Based on statistics/ probabilities he is likely to be right wing.

There's no evidence he is left wing. Your assumption that the fact that he shot charlie Kirk is itself evidence he is Left wing is exactly what I am objecting to/ challenging here.

I think it's a bit of a stretch that just because his parents were registered Republicans (which doesn't mean they can't vote for anyone else btw), then he must be a Trump supporter.

My dad voted for Corbyn and hates the Torys with a passion, it's never stopped my brother voting Conservative.

Children, obviously do not always vote like their parents.

Charlie Kirk represented the extreme right wing ideology in the states. Many moderate republicans were critical of his views. So not sure you can make the leap that killing Kirk makes him unlikely to be Republican.

So many republicans have publicly criticised the MAGA takeover of the party. And Charlie Kirk went further than Trump in his views on women’s rights, civil rights and abortion. A moderate Republican killing an extremist Republican is not something that can just be ruled out because it would fit your worldview

Well how about we wait until there are actual facts before starting threads on it. This is just spreading disinformation on all sides.

Are you really saying that the only people who kill with guns are mentally ill?

You actually have no factual evidence he is right wing - apart from your assumptions but your title of your thread is ‘reality’

just weird… but it seems from other posters you have form for this.

Maybe he was just an apolitical young man who spent too much time online, getting angry and frustrated and unfortunately for charlie kirk he became an easy target for the anger and frustration?

What??? Do you not know the difference between left and right wing??

He was left wing and lived with a transvestite. There are reports that he was in a sexual relationship with this transvestite but some say they were just roommates.

How can you misread a situation so entirely wrong?!

The facts are as follows:

1. Tyler Robinson assassinated a Charlie Kirk for exercising free speech.
2. The transvestite “friend or sexual partner” had knowledge of what Tyler Robinson did (either before or after the event)
3. Utah is a death penalty State.

“Reality” referred to the reality of who has been arrested and the facts we have about them.

I disagree. Tyler Robinson was indoctrinated into left wing ideology at University.

A right wing person is not going to assassinate one of his own.

This.

The suspect’s family were Republicans but the suspect himself is reported to be left wing, along with his partner/roommate. They are reported to have an online footprint that is strongly left wing.

The partner/room-mate is trans/furry. Messages allegedly etched on the bullets are anti-right wing.

TLDR - you’re wrong.

This is looking pretty likely . A mentally disturbed young person with easy access to a gun.

This is such black/ white, us/ them ideological thinking. It doesn’t reflect reality which is much messier than that

I saw the family set up a little differently than the original poster and actually it reminded me a lot of the recent school shooter who shot children during prayers.

I wonder whether the children of Christian, republican parents who don’t fit the mould that’s required to be accepted, end up lashing out at that demographic generally. So instead of assuming the children are the same as the parents, it’s the fact that they are not and feel like outcasts that causes the problem.

Agree nuanced discussions are desperately needed but not possible given US politics right now. Did you see the TV call for involuntary lethal injection for the homeless if they refuse help? WTF is going on?

...because the previous [threads] were all started from the assumption that this had something to do with left wing political violence

False. Not on MN they weren't. A lot of the CK threads have focused on political implications for MAGA support (increase or not), gun control, the widow's fury, how could a parent have condemned their own son to death penalty or how terrible that anyone should be murdered because of their speech (which comment is itself terrible because it implies some murders aren't terrible). Most messages much less OP's haven't been about TR's motives.

A lot of this thread is also focusing on access to guns, not motives.

Maybe he was just an apolitical young man who spent too much time online, getting angry and frustrated and unfortunately for charlie kirk he became an easy target for the anger and frustration?

Tbh since I wrote the above comment I've read today's news and changed my mind. It turns out he had a trans woman partner who he lived with (who is cooperating with the fbi and currently not thought to be involved) and they were both heavily involved in left wing politics.

Apparently the FBI are looking into a leftwing groups social media account that was deleted shortly after the murder which they think could hold evidence.

The fact the far left including transactivists are celebrating his death is deeply worrying, and really finishes the view of the “tolerant left” and “gentle trans people who just wanna pee”.

I think this is a very important point. Whatever the shooter’s actual motive was, there were plenty of people online celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death because they regarded him as a “fascist” or simply disagreed with his views.
That in itself was pretty scary.