Charlie Kirk- and the reality

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So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

The New York Post is owned by Murdoch so don’t necessarily believe what you read in it

Agree. This is the argument in favour of the second amendment in the US. Yes, it’s people who kill other people. But if guns were taken out of the hands of the general public, that would largely solve the problem of those with mental health issues being able to walk into a gun store and buy an assault rifle.

OMG it’s no longer just the NY Post 🤪

It’s been confirmed by the Governor of Utah that the prime suspect has a trans boyfriend. It’s been reported by CNN, NBC and BBC now.

She's pregnant with their 3rd child?

And I think your support of gender identity ideology is misogynistic so we’ll have to call it even 🤷‍♀️

Still there will be some who will keep up the right-wing angle, come what may.

Is this verified?
My DD told me this yesterday, I assumed it was from TikTok

Gender ideology is the ultimate misogyny.

At no point have I supported or endorsed the political campaigns of any right wing men. Not Trump or Kirk, not Farage.

We are aligned on something 😄

No he didn’t. At all. I explained this upthread, if you can’t be arsed to read the thread before you post, that’s your problem. Click on any of my posts and click ‘see all’ and you’ll see what he actually said, and the reasons posters like you keep clicking on sound bites and believing everything you read. I am no fan of Kirk - I don’t align myself with any of his views, but misquoting him based on a couple of lines you see online which are taken out of context to support whatever the poster believes just gives his supporters a platform to spread his views.

Yep. I’ve been following the NY Times online and they seem to have had solid sources from the start.

lol.

So let’s recap.

You are minimising the:

removal of health care rights for women, girls ,
promotion of forced birth even for child rape victims,
grooming young women into believing they must “submit” and be “servile”
to their husbands ,
promotion of idea that women should be financially dependent and men should be in charge,
(all of the above which that create the conditions for domestic violence) , normalising the idea that women/ girls belong in the domestic sphere as wives and mothers, and men are the HoH,
the that college is a “scam” and girls should only go to get a “mrs degree”.

the election of a man who criminally sexually assaults women into the most powerful office in the world, and his worship.

Nothing to see here. Just the regular beliefs of a conservative catholic, who happens to have different beliefs to me. Oh well. Never mind.

But I’m the misogynist because I’m a-ok with trans people and I don’t want to eliminate them from society:

these are certainly deranged times.

🙃

on the topic of abortion I feel I can give more context. I was not raised catholic but I went to a catholic school in Americao. You are taught from a very young age that life begins at conception and therefore abortion is murder.

it actually took me a few years to untangle myself from all of this. the catholic teaching is very strong on this and you are taught this from a very young and impressionable age.

I still believe it is taking a life but I also believe it to be a necessity in a society where a woman cannot not be physically, financially and emotionally supported effectively for her in many cases to carry a pregnancy and have a child without suffering consequences. I don’t feel it’s black and white either. I have friends who had abortions and I supported them as the best thing for them. I also had a friend who had the termination booked and didn’t go through with it at the last minute. She would unequivocally tell you her child was the best thing ever happen to her. I actually enjoyed his debates on this as I think it’s important to see where the other side comes.

As I understood it, the quota relates only to people being taken onto the pilot training programme and is to be achieved by the awarding of scholarships to underrepresented demographics. There is no suggestion at all that the airline would employ people who had failed to pass the training as pilots just to meet diversity targets. I mean, what sort of idiocy would it be to allow lives and expensive aircrafts to be in the hands of the unqualified? Ck would have had no reason at all for concern about a black pilots competence. And if he hadn't done the research to understand that, he had no business fear mongering and causing suspicion to fall on black people doing their jobs.

And what part was that?

I wrote 4 sentences. (Well, 5, but one was just stating ‘that’s my opinion’

Which one of the four sentences minimised acute misogyny?

And how did it do so?

”If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.”
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

I get his point was he’s worried a black pilot got there because of positive discrimination. It doesn’t matter. It amounts to the same: if he sees a black pilot he worries that he might not be qualified but when he sees a white pilot he doesn’t. Stop minimising and excusing this because it’s complete bollocks and really racist,

You have a serious comprehension problem or you are just deliberately trying to smear Eresh with that post. Which is it?

demonstrably neither.

The corporate media immediately ran with a narrative that Charlie Kirk’s assassin was ‘right-wing’

Let’s check in on that:

• Kirk’s killer lived with his transgender boyfriend
• He carved Antifa and LGBTQ slogans into his bullets
• His family calls him a ‘radical leftist’
• Top law enforcement officials call him a ‘Left-Wing Activist’
• His transgender boyfriend ‘hated Christians and conservatives’
• Co-workers confirm he was consumed with hatred for President Trump and Charlie Kirk
• He cut down the most powerful conservative voice of a generation

Now the media and leftists claim no one can ever know the motive!

No. The Left radicalized him. They weaponized him. And now they’re desperately trying to wash the blood off their hands.

Many of these quotes are completely out of context.

When did steelmanning one's opponent's position become unpopular? I am quite concerned about this trend to simply make up strawmen and not have any curiosity about the person's actual worldview might have been.

I think I could cogently write a defence of trans self-ID rights, or the case for either allowing no abortion or abortion for any reason until birth, or for why DEI initiatives lead to a better society, despite not holding any of those views.

"Summarise your opponent's arguments in words he himself would agree with" used to be the standard - I wonder how many in this thread could do that for Charlie Kirk?

Demonstrably one or the other or perhaps both.

’Demonstrably’ is highly debatable

And he didn’t ‘fear monger’ or anything else he was accused of. He acknowledged that the DEI programme undermined black people. He clarified that he didn’t think black pilots or any other black professionals were under qualified, but that the DEI programme introduced by the left was responsible for making people think that way. He called out the programme saying that it undermined black people and ethnic minorities and was racist for suggesting that because of their skin colour they were somehow less intelligent and worthy of a lesser qualifications.

Yep - as far as i am aware you are correct. However as the programme had only just started there was a lot of noise about and a lot of misinformation spread. As i said… I don’t agree with the statement but if he believed what he thought he did, and a lot of people did ! That’s why he said it.

it was a atupid comment. But what he didn’t say - which is what is said here ‘black pilots are incompetent’