Charlie Kirk- and the reality

[Tandora]

So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

I’m sorry to inform you, but anyone who endorses misogynistic views is NOT a feminist.

I see you agree with the rest of my post, so we have progress 😄

So if the poster doesn’t agree with the rest of your post. What then ?

The world keeps spinning..

He supported it yes. But he had no political sway to facilitate it. Your real gripe is with the powerful gun lobbies like the NRA who argue that the very fact that there are school shootings and the like are the reason that everyone should carry guns.

As long as you’re not forcing women to be at home, I don’t see what’s wrong with it.

I don’t see how it’s much different in principal to something like Swedens parental leave, which allows parents, but particularly mothers time to take care of their children, before returning to work.

You also need to remember the back drop if this is America, who don’t have maternity rights, where many mothers are forced to return to work weeks after their babies are born.

The main difference I guess is that in this country we believe it’s the governments job to enable this, whereas CK believes it’s the husbands.

At least that’s how I interpret it.

What is all this faux ,
lazy relativism all of a sudden?

you must have some values?

Is it ok to support slavery because “some people have different beliefs to myself and the world didn’t stop spinning”.

What about being a Nazi? Is that ok because “some people have different beliefs to myself”.

If you are going to justify harmful patriarchal ideologies like child rape victims should be forced to gestate babies and give birth, and women should be compelled to submit to their husbands and be confined to domesticity- at least present an actual argument as to why you think this ok fgs.

Or is it just removal of the rights and healthcare of women, girls and lgb people that you are so apathetic about? (I removed the t because you’ve already declared
your opinion on that).

Nope.

@GoldThumb That’s fine. You’re just not a feminist.

That’s fine then, as I don’t endorse misogynistic views.

How so?

Um that’s exactly what he said . If he encountered a black pilot he’d be concerned about their competence.

@GoldThumb Read my post(s) again. You cannot be a feminist whilst supporting and endorsing misogynistic views.

So you agree that CK was a dangerous man? Unless you think misogyny isn’t dangerous?

Also, I don’t take “you’re not a feminist” lectures seriously from gender identity ideology supporters anyway. Hope that helps.

You provided reputable sources and the counter argument was based on feelings and the desperate need to blame the mythical right-wing bogeyman. It's funny (not really) how posters seemed determined to undermine this proof without offering a shred of evidence themselves.

Which part of what I stated is misogynistic?

The part where you minimised the acute misogyny promoted by CK and his widow and tried to deflect/
derail anyone from talking about it by trying to pretend that in drawing attention to it they must be saying CK deserved to be assassinated.

I think he was a right wing Catholic American with views I don’t share. Plenty of people do though and they have the same human rights I do, even if they don’t appreciate them.

Where’s the lecture and where’s the gender ideology supporters? More conjecture from you again.

Hope that helps 🥰

Which was? Specifically?

What, specifically, of the four sentences I typed, was misogynistic?

Taps sign for @Tandora

I suggest you try watching some of Charlie’s debates. Whole ones. Not just TikTok snippets.

Yes but they are removing the rights of women and girls in America. And promoting an ideology that has wider influence around the world. You are minimising this. I do think that’s misogynistic .

… because united allegedly reduced the acceptance criteria to reach a goal of 50% female or poc pilots.

whilst I don’t agree with his statement it helps to have context that the statement was in relation to this United initiative.

(I have flown a lot on united and I have had the same feelings in relation to their pilots based on their age… some seem to be ready to get their bus pass and some seem to be just out of high school! Probably makes me agist 😂)

It’s because they consider their own opinions and beliefs to be somewhat Divine.