Charlie Kirk- and the reality

[Tandora]

So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

No I said Charlie Kirk promoted the right to bear arms. This is the policy that created the conditions that facilitated his murder. This is simply true. It’s completely illogical, hypocritical and dishonest to claim otherwise.

CK acknowledged that gun deaths were an inevitable consequence of the second amendment and argued that this was a worthwhile price to pay for the right to bear arms.

He was a devout Christian with views about men and women, though not to my taste, I found them wholesome. He didn’t think a wife should serve him, but he felt men should be able to earn enough money to allow for the woman to stay at home and be a mother, if that’s what she wanted to do, and his role was to protect.

I shall now trawl back through the threads on the Muslim faith and Islam to ensure you have equally and loudly called out their misogyny.

He promoted the second amendment. He spoke about reducing gun crime.

The second amendment is about more than just gun ownership.

I guess we could consult a Medium to ask him if he still feels the same now his head has been blown off but I’m guessing it was something he believed in when he still had all his body parts attached.

You completely added in the “if that’s what she wanted to do” - you need to take that part right out again.

CK’s views on gender roles were not “wholesome” they were patriarchal and misogynistic and antithetical to rights and equality for women and girls (and lgbt people):

I can think of a few public figures who I genuinely dislike and think are absolute gobshites with awful opinions. I can absolutely guarantee that if any of them were shot dead while exercising their right to free speech I would just feel sad. If you can't see the humanity and fragility of a young man who just had his throat shot out then I genuinely don't know what's wrong with you. You are projecting your own tribalism and lack of human decency onto others.

I would agree with this.

Yes ultimately he promoted the very thing that killed him. No I do not think he deserved to die and I don’t celebrate anyone’s death.

Cracking up here at the poster who thinks CK’s misogynistic, racist and bigoted views are ‘wholesome’. Thoughts and prayers 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

No. That’s literally what he said. It is LITERALLY what he said in his speech.

If you can't see the humanity and fragility of a young man who just had his throat shot

thats fair. I can see his fragility and his humanity. I have not watched the video of his murder and nor would I be able to do this.

Thank you.

I'd like to think I'm better than that but I'm not, I'm too busy cooking dinner 😂

In YOUR opinion. Ad nauseum ‘in your opinion’. Some people have different beliefs to myself. That’s okay. I don’t agree and the world didn’t stop spinning.

I don’t agree with the anti abortion bill that’s been pushed through in some American states. I also don’t agree that people who have gone through male puberty have the right to compete in competitive sports against people who have gone through a female puberty. So what. Big deal what I think. I have all sorts of thought abd opinions on all sorts of things but accept that other people don’t share my viewpoint.

If I want to agitate for political change I know just the way I might do that. a starting point could be my MP in the first place. Maybe a petition. At no point do I think, ‘I know what, I’m going to find a weapon and try and inflict violence on this person who thinks differently to me’. Wouldn’t enter my thoughts. It’s also wouldnt enter my thoughts to support or condone someone who did. In actual fact if someone who had similar belief systems to myself did do such an act I’d question my belief systems. I’d ponder if my ideologies were propagating violence and whether they were in fact rather sinister.

What evidence? There's been no formal charges, they'll be long (think The Good, The Bad and the Ugly before the hanging), and no formal plea. Your smugness suggests a sinister side to your character, almost a celebratary gotcha. Like a perfectly executed assassination.

Definitely about to eat. Lovely company and there may be a trans women cooking great food. It's a friends meetup. Ciao x

I think this has just hit the nail on the head of why the ‘He wasn’t innocent’ was bothering me.

It felt like OP was not seeing the humanity in him.

A complete different tone and inference to ‘I wasn’t a fan of his because of the things he said, which I don’t agree with’

His advice continued: "And I would also tell young ladies, you can always go back to your career later, that there is a window where you primarily should pursue marriage and having children, and that is a beautiful thing."
"This is not about shaming, this is not about ridiculing, this is not about moralizing. It is about lifting up what is beautiful," Kirk said.

he didn’t say women shouldn’t have careers.

I did career first and kids second and I actually wish someone had said this to me. I wish I had had kids earlier and therefore could have had more children and potentially not suffered the health risks I did.

It’s complete nonsense that many of the posters on this thread would cheer if a similar left wing figure was shot dead. Just another tedious little attempt to smear feminists.

I would take everything the OP says with a truckload of salt.

Yep, definitely!

🤣 enjoy your evening. I know men who can cook too, it’s not that unusual.

Is Tandora cooking for you?

Im not smug….

i was agreeing with you and tandora with regard to the roommate

have you not been paying any attention

Gentle? I find much of what he stood for wrong and repugnant.

"If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"

"Democrat women want to die alone without children."

"Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge."

“We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the mid-1960s.”

“We must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty... But I think it’s worth it. I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment.”

He didn't deserve to die, I don't celebrate his death and I find the people doing so repulsive. That said, he knowingly supported access to guns, was openly accepting of annual gun deaths, and he made a wide variety of incredibly controversial comments. If he wasn't aware of the risk he was taking he was in enormous denial.

I'm concerned how many on MN will support him because they agree with his stance on trans rights, despite him being supportive of 10-year-old rape victims being forced to give birth. I find this tunnel vision worrying, access to women's only spaces are far from the only rights worth fighting for.

Now reported by the BBC although predictably they downplay the trans information, just saying that he is “transitioning” without even explaining what that means to people not au fait with genderist lingo.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gvrw2pgedo

That’s good then, because most people on the thread are talking about the repulsion they feel at people celebrating his murder online. People have also pointed out where he has been misquoted in the media and social media, because they think his provocative comments in debates are being taken out of context, rightly or wrongly. No one is agreeing with the extremist positions as presented.