Charlie Kirk- and the reality

[Tandora]

So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

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The roommate has been “very cooperative,” Cox said.

This tracks with what a federal official close to the investigation told NBC News on Sunday.

Investigators have been interviewing Robinson's roommate, with the official saying "there appears to be a romantic relationship" and that the roommate is transitioning from male to female. The roommate has been cooperating, but there still is "not a solid understanding" of how that personal relationship are factors, the official said.

Asked on CNN how the roommate transitioning was relevant to the suspect’s motive, Cox said, “That’s what we’re trying to figure out right now.”

“It’s easy to draw conclusions from that, and so we’ve got the shell casings, other forensic evidence that is coming in and trying to piece all of those things together,” Cox said.

Cox also said Robinson has not been cooperating with authorities. The federal official told NBC News that Robinson has invoked his Fifth Amendment rights.

Authorities have not provided details about the suspect’s motive. The governor said that the suspect, 22-year-old Tyler Robinson, had a “leftist ideology” despite coming from a conservative family. Robinson was not registered to any political party. Authorities said he scrawled messages about fascism, video games and internet memes on ammunition.

I found her speech extremely disturbing and extremely inflammatory and her language was evocative of violence.
Also her whole manner was so performative and dystopian- it was like watching something out of the hunger games:

Those ideas they are promoting in school campuses aren’t innocent or harmless either!! Why is everyone pretending they are?! I’m flabbergasted.

I feel vindicated.
This morning I quoted The Sunday Times re: the suspect being in a relationship with his trans housemate and some posters practically accused me of making it up, being an idiot for believing what I read in The Times, it's all hear say etc etc

You'd think I'd imagined the whole scenario up and not read it in a newspaper.

It doesn't matter to me one way or the other but I hope the posters who criticised me so much this morning can now accept it is actually true.

He was not “innocent” because he was promoting harmful and dangerous ideas that create the conditions for violence.

for example- he advocated for the right for people to possessed guns. Guns are dangerous. His own death is very proof of this.

I wouldn’t hold your breath. But solidarity, I’ve been accused of the same.

She just lost the love of her life. The father of her children. It’s very clear they were deeply in love. So maybe give her a break. I’m sorry she didn’t grieve the way you wanted her to.

No . Again- you claimed the times reported it as fact. This was false. They did not, they merely referenced the existence of the rumours without even stating the original source.

Fgs @Tandora have some decency.

The poor woman has recently witnessed her husband being murdered in front of her and their children.
Irrespective of what you think of him or her she's probably in shock and very traumatised.

It was reported as news and not an opinion piece which is what I said and I took it at face value as news. That is quite a normal thing to do when reading the news.
A few hours later it appears the Sunday Times was correct.

They won’t @YourLemonTiger I’ve seen similar all over the online media: really weird, gaslighting comments. One example was early after the murder when a news story mentioned a few things from reports/sources and every single one of the things suggested that Robinson was left wing. Yet, there were a number of comments saying things like, “Good! I hope you’ll all shut up now it’s been shown a right winger killed him”.

Whether the information was confirmed or not, for someone to read left wing things A, B and C, and think they proved the killer was right wing can only be gaslighting. Nobody can be that stupid.

Im flabbergasted that what you took from my post is that “she didn’t grieve in the way I wanted her to”.

Give her a break by excusing her use of totally unwarranted inflammatory and violent language and doubling down on the dangerous ideology that her and her late husband are/ were promoting? Including her glorification of men like Vance and Trump?

Absolutely I will not.

They can build a bomb. People do that too

So his ‘crimes’ should be punishable by death?

And if not, what’s the point of using words like ‘innocent’?

People are really crazy.

You could argue Zarah Sultana’s recent tweet meets your definition?
Ascribing crimes of fascism, and the desired result being the ‘guilty’ taken off the streets forever.

I agree @BreatheAndFocus i find it really unsettling the way people will phrase the fake news. It’s gaslighting.

You seem to be flabbergasted a lot. This whole thread you’re just ‘I’m flabbergasted…’

So his ‘crimes’ should be punishable by death?

Absolutely not. please read my posts. I do not believe in punishment by death under any circumstances.

I am. Flabbergasted and Horrified. This country is going the way of Trump’s US.

I'd slow down on accusing others of peddling misinformation given you literally started a thread about the "reality" that this had "nothing to do with leftists or trans rights".

There we have it - fancy that!

You were still wrong though 🤷‍♀️

Except neither her or their children were in the audience.

If I'd lost the love of my life to a horrific assassination, I would be inconsolable and unable to speak. But I do understand that other people react differently.

So what do you mean by his wasn’t ’innocent’ then?

Who sets the parameters on being ‘innocent’ in the moral way you mean?
Who decides what ‘crimes’ are worthy of becoming a guilty person, rather than an innocent one?

He was innocent of any crimes.

No-one is innocent in terms of morality, every single one of us is flawed. Every single one.

And if we do it won’t be Charlie Kirk’s fault it will be because we have a shower of shite left wing government

@YourLemonTiger

Excusing the use of totally unwarranted inflammatory and violent language and doubling down on a dangerous ideology - Including glorification of men like Vance and Trump is not my idea of decency.

No I will not do this. I will not excuse this.

CK was not murdered in front of her or their children. This was a false rumour that the BBC retracted.

Read my posts I already answered that.

They might not have been there, but the video will be there forever.

I think the reason this has affected so many people is in a way, he was killed ‘in front of’ the whole world.