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Charlie Kirk- and the reality

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Tandora · 13/09/2025 20:14

So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 16:29

Place is fully free to disagree with my ideology and use whatever language for men she/he/they likes. I’m sure you thought you had something there but oh dear 😂

Plastictreees · 14/09/2025 16:29

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 16:29

Place is fully free to disagree with my ideology and use whatever language for men she/he/they likes. I’m sure you thought you had something there but oh dear 😂

Just 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

placemats · 14/09/2025 16:30

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 16:22

Not in my world 🤷‍♀️ he’s a biological male person, like all “trans women”. And therefore a “son”.

Hope that helps, place.

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But son is a gender name. I don't believe that anyone can change sex. They can change gender though.

Do you believe that a male can love and have a sexual relationship with another male?

Oblomov25 · 14/09/2025 16:32

I still can't get over the tragedy of him being shot. Or why it's taken so long to get the suspect into custody.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 16:36

placemats · 14/09/2025 16:30

But son is a gender name. I don't believe that anyone can change sex. They can change gender though.

Do you believe that a male can love and have a sexual relationship with another male?

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I don’t think of “changing gender” as meaningful in any way. He’s a man, simple as that. It doesn’t mean I don’t think people can be attracted to the opposite sex 🙄 why tf would it?

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Tandora · 14/09/2025 16:36

Martharian · 14/09/2025 16:21

There is a difference between “emotionally hijacking” a conversation about what policy should be and people saying that it’s repellent to celebrate the murder of someone.

If there was a group of people saying that as a result of his death, guns should be restricted or people had to carry ID cards around with them at all times or that groups of large crowds shouldn’t be allowed to gather any more for their safety, you could probably argue that it’s being “emotionally hijacked” by his death but what people are objecting to are the joyfully reactions to his being murdered.

but what people are objecting to are the joyfully reactions to his being murdered.

No that is not all that people are objecting to/ that is happening. Far from it. In the US People are being fired for simply making honest remarks about what CK stood for / said.

The entire reason we are having this conversation is that I was told by a pp that we shouldn’t discuss CK’s political views because of the grief of his poor children. Meanwhile, his widow is vowing to go to “battle” for what he stood for, and declaring that the movement will only be more powerful because of the rage induced by their familY’s grief.

So yes the policy narrative is 100% being “emotionally hijacked” - and not for the peaceful purpose of trying to reduce violence (through gun control) but for something much much worse!!!

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 16:39

Do you actually understand what most FWR posters are objecting to in their opposition to gender identity ideology @placemats? That comment asking me whether I think men can be gay was truly bizarre.

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Tandora · 14/09/2025 16:42

Insanityisnotastrategy · 14/09/2025 16:22

And you're still doing it.

Not worth engaging further, you are absolutely addicted to twisting things into the worst possible light when it suits you.

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Bizarre 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Plastictreees · 14/09/2025 16:44

Tandora · 14/09/2025 16:42

Bizarre 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Indeed. It’s like gaslighting…

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 14/09/2025 16:46

vegetarianlouise · 14/09/2025 09:17

The next time someone brings up mourning Charlie Kirk to you, act as if you don't know who he is and ask them what is he known for. Ask what kind of things he talked about. Make them explain it. Make it awkward.

He is known for respectfully discussing views, whether you believe or agree with them or not.
Make it awkward pmsl.

placemats · 14/09/2025 16:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 16:39

Do you actually understand what most FWR posters are objecting to in their opposition to gender identity ideology @placemats? That comment asking me whether I think men can be gay was truly bizarre.

Most transgender people get on with their life and are happy to not encroach on women's spaces.

So who is more likely to be reactionary - a gay male within a strict Christian community that abhorrs anything other than straight relationships or a gay male within a community that is open to sexuality diverse relationships?

Bear in mind, as you well know, suppression of homosexual leanings, especially males from a strict Christian Conservative community never ends well. Especially if guns are involved.

Martharian · 14/09/2025 16:50

Tandora · 14/09/2025 16:36

but what people are objecting to are the joyfully reactions to his being murdered.

No that is not all that people are objecting to/ that is happening. Far from it. In the US People are being fired for simply making honest remarks about what CK stood for / said.

The entire reason we are having this conversation is that I was told by a pp that we shouldn’t discuss CK’s political views because of the grief of his poor children. Meanwhile, his widow is vowing to go to “battle” for what he stood for, and declaring that the movement will only be more powerful because of the rage induced by their familY’s grief.

So yes the policy narrative is 100% being “emotionally hijacked” - and not for the peaceful purpose of trying to reduce violence (through gun control) but for something much much worse!!!

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I haven’t sent anyone being sacked for making honest remarks about what he said, but I’m not arrogant enough to assume that means it is happening. And if is happening, then I’d disagree with it.

I also think it’s fair enough to discuss his political views but I’ve seen lots of misrepresenting of what he said (most of which I don’t agree with) and lots of using it as a reason to justify/celebrate his murder.

His widow did say she’d go into battle for what he stood for, and also said this “Our campus tour this fall will continue. There will be even more tours in the years to come. America Fest here in Phoenix this December will go on. It will be greater than ever. The radio and podcast show that he was so proud of will go on. And in a world filled with chaos, doubt, and uncertainty, my husband’s voice will remain. And it will ring out louder and more clearly than ever. And his wisdom will endure.”

Yes, ‘battle’ is evocative but what she’s advocating for is more debate and discussion, not violence. This was the full quote:

”The evildoers responsible for my husband’s assassination have no idea what they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith, and of God’s merciful love. They should all know this. If you thought that my husband’s mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have no idea what you just have unleashed across this entire country and this world. You have no idea. You have no idea the fire that you have ignited within this wife. The cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry.”

I don’t know who “they” is that she refers to and I don’t think we know for why he was killed, but it is evident that people have condoned his murder because of his views and debates.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 16:51

Whatever, you asked me if I thought men could be gay 🙄

Plastictreees · 14/09/2025 16:51

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 14/09/2025 16:46

He is known for respectfully discussing views, whether you believe or agree with them or not.
Make it awkward pmsl.

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He’s known for being a misogynist, racist bigot. Whether you like it or not.

PMSL.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 16:54

placemats · 14/09/2025 16:50

Most transgender people get on with their life and are happy to not encroach on women's spaces.

So who is more likely to be reactionary - a gay male within a strict Christian community that abhorrs anything other than straight relationships or a gay male within a community that is open to sexuality diverse relationships?

Bear in mind, as you well know, suppression of homosexual leanings, especially males from a strict Christian Conservative community never ends well. Especially if guns are involved.

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I simply don’t believe in changing “gender” or that gender is anything more than sex role stereotypes applied to women and men by society. I reject any suggestion that “gender” is innate. That’s all. It tells you zero else about me.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 16:55

So no, I don’t think Elon Musk had a daughter who “transitioned”, I think he had a son who claims to be a woman. I challenge that claim.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 14/09/2025 16:57

meeleymanatee · 14/09/2025 09:34

Do you feel the same about traditional Muslim views? And in particular from those cultures where woman are forced to ‘submit’, marry men they don’t want to. Not have job. Ect. Do you think they are dangerous?

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Good post.
I bet the OP is silent on this though.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 14/09/2025 16:59

Insanityisnotastrategy · 14/09/2025 09:40

The reality is that a lot of people were celebrating his death. Not on here particularly but a lot on Tiktok etc. It's the reaction to his death that is most disturbing, not the identity or affiliations of his murderer.

This.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 17:01

Utah Gov. Spencer Cox on Sunday provided updates on the investigation into Charlie Kirk’s assassination, telling NBC News’ “Meet the Press” that the suspect was in a romantic relationship with his roommate, who is cooperating with authorities

shocked face

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 14/09/2025 17:02

MorningLarkEchoes · 14/09/2025 09:44

The left exaggerate and twist his words so they can criticise him because he was an influential voice on the right. It’s a shame he isn’t around anymore to respond. I listened to a few of the debates Kirk took part in, and he always came across as very reasoned. And unlike a lot of the hysterical screaming and aggressive voices on the left, he was always polite and respectful.

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True.
I believe he was disliked because he was breaking through the ideology of the left and they don’t like that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 17:03

That person “is a boyfriend who is transitioning from male to female,” Cox said, misgendering the roommate.

lol at the “misgendering” comment from the writer

Insanityisnotastrategy · 14/09/2025 17:03

Tandora · 14/09/2025 16:17

What are you talking about . I quoted his exact words, as they were meant , in their precise context. There was nothing “cherry picking” about. Charlie said that the deaths of children in school were “worth it” to protect his right to own a gun, and that we mustn’t let victims of mass shootings “emotionally hijack the narrative”. This is what he said. I don’t know why you are seeking to justify or minimise this- it was dangerous and wrong.

In terms of my own feelings on the matter- I do not believe that homocide is ever justified (whether committed by the State or by private individuals): I do not support what happened to CK. But do I have strong feelings of empathy or sympathy for him? I can’t say that I do. He advocated for a dangerous policy, which creates the conditions for gun murders, he argued that these murders are “worth it” and that we shouldn’t be “emotionally hijacked” by empathy for victims into thinking/ believing/ be persuaded otherwise. So do I have lots of feelings of sympathy for CK? No. Nor do I believe that I should be required to. It is hypocritical and dishonest to require this.

When it comes to his children, however, my heart does hurt for them. Especially his 3 year old daughter who no doubt will feel the sudden loss of her father most acutely. The children are innocent in this. CK was not.

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In what way was he not innocent? Oh yes, because you don't think he had a right to think differently to you. So I guess he had it coming (but you're careful not to say that).

YourLemonTiger · 14/09/2025 17:06

placemats · 14/09/2025 16:20

Trans son means born female.

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No it doesn't. It means elan has a son who is trans (ie identifies as a woman) surely.

As in 'I have a trans son who thinks he's a girl

GoldThumb · 14/09/2025 17:09

GetOffMyLan · 14/09/2025 16:07

Actually, that nonsense has been debunked. How big do you think a bullet is? Someone engraved entire sentences on one? 🤣 The bullets were engraved with letters from the manufacturer, which the right tried so hard to connect to trans it was beyond idiotic. Any way not to say that this was one of theirs bc it's always one of theirs.

Also, if people are claiming that someone is left wing bc they are anti fascists, that, by definition makes the right fascists. I mean, anybody with a brain already knows that but watching them tie themselves in knots is oh so hilarious.

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Not the laughing emoji while being so wrong and strong.

How are you on here debating, while clearly not even following the developments?

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