Charlie Kirk- and the reality

[Tandora]

So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

That means nothing,the family he came from.
People have their own political leanings irrespective of their family.
It could suggest he was right leaning but you have started the post because you want it to be so.

Does Elon Musk’s trans son share his dad’s politics, @Tandora? It’s quite common for children, teens and young adults to rebel against their parents’ views, no?

Actually, that nonsense has been debunked. How big do you think a bullet is? Someone engraved entire sentences on one? 🤣 The bullets were engraved with letters from the manufacturer, which the right tried so hard to connect to trans it was beyond idiotic. Any way not to say that this was one of theirs bc it's always one of theirs.

Also, if people are claiming that someone is left wing bc they are anti fascists, that, by definition makes the right fascists. I mean, anybody with a brain already knows that but watching them tie themselves in knots is oh so hilarious.

Trans daughter.

No.

Don’t presume to impose your ideology on others, please.

It hasn’t been debunked that the bullet casings had inscriptions. They did.

We ??
The UK did learn after Dunblane. The USA will never learn and people will continue to die because of their gun laws. You can’t fix stupid!

The inscriptions and their significance are what most of this thread is arguing about 🤦🏽‍♀️

Nice

I didn’t tell her how to speak about him. She told me.

Yes I understand the point he was making (but thank you for mansplaining it to me ).

I disagree with it entirely. I do not think that one single murder of children in schools is “worth it” to protect his right to have a gun- let alone murder on the scale that happens in the USA.

CK did. So according to his own values/ opinion his own death was “worth it” for the second amendment , and we should not be “emotionally hijacked” by narratives about his grieving children. This is not how I see things but we should be very clear it’s how CK himself did.

What are you talking about . I quoted his exact words, as they were meant , in their precise context. There was nothing “cherry picking” about. Charlie said that the deaths of children in school were “worth it” to protect his right to own a gun, and that we mustn’t let victims of mass shootings “emotionally hijack the narrative”. This is what he said. I don’t know why you are seeking to justify or minimise this- it was dangerous and wrong.

In terms of my own feelings on the matter- I do not believe that homocide is ever justified (whether committed by the State or by private individuals): I do not support what happened to CK. But do I have strong feelings of empathy or sympathy for him? I can’t say that I do. He advocated for a dangerous policy, which creates the conditions for gun murders, he argued that these murders are “worth it” and that we shouldn’t be “emotionally hijacked” by empathy for victims into thinking/ believing/ be persuaded otherwise. So do I have lots of feelings of sympathy for CK? No. Nor do I believe that I should be required to. It is hypocritical and dishonest to require this.

When it comes to his children, however, my heart does hurt for them. Especially his 3 year old daughter who no doubt will feel the sudden loss of her father most acutely. The children are innocent in this. CK was not.

You are a disgrace.

Trans son means born female.

Kiwifarms being forwarded as a legitimate source of information.

Fuck 2025.

There is a difference between “emotionally hijacking” a conversation about what policy should be and people saying that it’s repellent to celebrate the murder of someone.

If there was a group of people saying that as a result of his death, guns should be restricted or people had to carry ID cards around with them at all times or that groups of large crowds shouldn’t be allowed to gather any more for their safety, you could probably argue that it’s being “emotionally hijacked” by his death but what people are objecting to are the joyfully reactions to his being murdered.

Yet nobody knows fuck all.

I love this.
Sometimes a bit of humour is what is needed.
Go Kermit.

And you're still doing it.

Not worth engaging further, you are absolutely addicted to twisting things into the worst possible light when it suits you.

Not in my world 🤷‍♀️ he’s a biological male person, like all “trans women”. And therefore a “son”.

Hope that helps, place.

Not denying that! It’s other people confidently stating theories as fact.

It has just been confirmed by the governor of Utah that his roommate was his partner and is currently transitioning MtF. He is not cooperating but the people around him are 🤷‍♀️