Charlie Kirk- and the reality

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So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

To quote your thread title '- and the reality', here is what he said:

"I can't stand the word empathy, I think empathy is a made up new age term and it does a lot of damage. Sympathy is a better word, because empathy means you are actually feeling what another person felt, and no one can feel what another person feels."

So no, you're wrong about what Charlie Kirk was saying there and it's pretty manipulative to start threads and make comments like this while (deliberately?) distorting the words and intentions of a man who's just been murdered. And I don't believe you have much real empathy OR sympathy, your posts clearly indicate you're using his death for point scoring.

It’s not what they said, it’s him being assassinated on a live stream while holding a debate and many dead eyed sociopaths on the left cheering it on. Don’t the left hold themselves up as morally superior to the right? Or is it just a tribalistic free for all? Good to know.

There are multiple journalistic sources. Fox, the DM and the NY Post either claim to have been given the info from law enforcement or they have gone and spoken to these men’s neighbours etc. That’s how journalism works. I have at no time suggested people should definitely take it as truth, but I don’t see any reason to dismiss these reports out of hand either. Especially as people have dug into what appears to be the roommates social media.

I don’t think you can compare bin laden - a leader of a violent terrorist group - or Hussain - an actual dictator - to Kirk. That seems disingenuous. They both operated outside democracy whereas Charlie Kirk, no matter how unpalatable some people might have found his views, advocated for debate and discussion.

If Margaret thatcher had been killed while in office because of her politics, I would think it equally abhorrent for people to celebrate in the same way they have celebrated Kirk’s murder. I thought it was awful that Jo Cox and David Amess were murdered for being involved in politics and if people had celebrated their deaths because there was now “one less right-winger” or “one less leftist”, I’d have been equally appalled.

Exactly. I would have been equally shocked and appalled if it had been Owen Jones. It’s a shocking event.

It was reported by New York Post and verified by public records

https://www.owenjones.news/p/charlie-kirks-assassination-a-dark

Interested to know your views on this.

Every single day 62 people are murdered in United States of America that’s on average.

Here is a video for those interested in understanding more about youth subcultures that it seems likely Tyler Robinson was emerged in. (Likely because of the words on the casings).

“A quick crash course in blackpill accelerationism: the memes are the ideology.”

https://x.com/citizengatsby/status/1967009991719874959

And another video explaining "It was a shit post"

x.com/citizengatsby/status/1966995382703190074

I’m sorry that doesn’t suffice. I listed out all the things which led me to my view point. What led you to yours?

The words on the casings are being scrutinised. Indications leans towards ultra right wing extremism.

A 31 year old male with an older wife and two young children is not representative of youth culture.

That Owen Jones thinks murder is bad but right wing people and Israel are worse? Groundbreaking 🙄

No they don’t. It’s speculation.

If it's speculation then why are you so sure and convinced it's left wing extremism?

I’m not, I’m going by the actual evidence, as reported by the Governor of Utah and the press. You are the one making an authoritative claim based on online speculation, not me.

So you have demonstrated that you cherry pick. You're free to do that.

From ChatGPT:

✅ What is backed by multiple credible sources

• Utah officials (via AP, NBC etc.) say that bullet casings recovered in the Charlie Kirk case had messages engraved on them. KCRA+3https://www.wwnytv.com+3NBC Chicago+3
• One of the inscriptions was “Hey, fascist! Catch!” NBC Chicago+2https://www.wwnytv.com+2

I am free to decide which commentators I find valuable and which are tedious, just like you @placemats

I don’t think we can tell anything concrete from the messages, quite possibly they are just there to fuck with people.

You are convinced that it's left wing extremism based on a website that's ultra right wing extremist - which you haven't denied. I'm saying that based on previous killings it's most likely to be ultra right wing extremism and that's where the base should start. Most domestic terrorism in the USA is from the ultra extremist right.

We can’t tell for sure either way. It’s probably best to wait until the outcome of the investigation. I don’t see the point of all these endless threads to be honest.

A 31 year old male with an older wife and two young children is not representative of youth culture

No, but Tyler Robinson, aged 22 is.

That's true.

I agree.