Charlie Kirk- and the reality

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So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

There seems to be more evidence than “what I reckon” to suggest the opposite which is why the authorities appear to be focussing on that. But write them an email and tell them they’re going about it wrong, maybe.

I agree, gun ownership is what makes Americans feel safe and in control. If they feel threatened they will double down and cling on harder to the guns that make them feel safe and in control.
We on the outside can see that this is a dangerous feedback loop.

Yes, this was always going to be the case.

From what I've seen it's not "saying anything negative about this guy" that's getting people doxxed, it's celebrating his death and the manner of his death. Employers seem to want to distance themselves from people who do this.

I'm not saying I agree with cancel culture or that I would personally report someone.

American gun laws and gun culture are a mystery to me but they regard anything curbing the right to own guns as an attack on freedom. It's their country - their laws - and up to them to change if they want to.

Not really.

The fact remains if the rights obsession with baring arms and shot victims being an acceptable sacrifice for that right wasn’t being pushed or tolerated Charlie K would be here today.

Better gun control equals less ability to kill and fewer killings.

Oh you mean the authorities that are in the pocket of the far right leader who controls the law courts and funding of said authorities. Okaaay🤔

I hadn’t either and I thought I was reasonably up to date with politics. So odd that the UK media now seems obsessed with a person many people were completely unaware of until he died. You would almost think certain sections of it have an agenda …..

I was just thinking that killing someone with a rifle from a distance takes considerable skill. Robinson must have had a great deal of practice.

His family were very pro guns. His mother’s FB page that has been taken down was littered with quite worrying pictures. He would have been taken to all sorts of training ranges from a young age.

But hey lets focus on some souped up trans theory!

You know very well why people are using Islam and Muslim interchangeably with the extremist nonsense you are peddling. Fundamentalist Christianity is NOTHING like mainstream Christianity just like extreme radicalised Muslims are nothing like 99% of Muslims practising Islam around the world. If you had plucked the word Christian in your extremist generalisations and instead popped Muslim in there your posts would be deleted.

I feel deeply sorry for CK’s children. To feel anything else would be inhumane.

When CK dismissed calls for empathy for children killed in school by guns, that was deeply wrong and inhumane of him. CK justified and rationalised these murders saying they were “worth it”. He told us not to be “emotionally highjacked” by empathy for those children.

the outpouring of empathy on the right for CK’s own children should help people to see how harmful and wrong what he said/ promoted was. Yet Those close to him have promised to perpetuate what he stood for - we must expose this hypocrisy for what it is.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

One would hope that they would learn that unfettered access to lethal weapons is not a good thing. But they didn’t learn after Sandy Hook so nothing will change here either.

This thread would have unfolded differently if the shooter had been black or muslim.

His background and family's political leanings have been established.

Now we are being gaslit into believing he had been radicalised by the far left. This might be the case, but I very much doubt it.

Though, we can be certain of his easy access to a firearm, and his proficiency when using it.

You’ve totally lost the thread here.

Yes he must have spent hours on target practise from a distance and height to get the trajectory right. It also requires a high level of mathematical knowledge.

ETA It was a precision shot but I've no doubt there'll be those that will say it was a fluke - nope. It requires a scouting of the campus and a knowledge of where the person will be sitting/standing.

Playing on fear to influence others to your view point by painting things as dangerous is a commonly used tactic in debate. Demonstrated by CK when he painted affirmative action as dangerous by suggesting a black pilot could be incompetent. Do you think it was problematic when CK did it?

How are people to know how they feel about all sorts of issues unless you debate them or see them debated? How is anyone going to get into the nuance of the detail unless we allow bright and educated people to discuss and disagree with those ideas. By murdering people who hold different beliefs we martyr them and that is much more dangerous.

Not at all. You are using faux ignorance and gaslighting people. You know exactly what you are up to and you are one of many, many people doing similar on here.

By murdering people who hold different beliefs we martyr them and that is much more dangerous

Of course I agree with this wholeheartedly.

The farms have some interesting information about is online contacts, his 'housemate's online contacts and evidence of a possible conspiracy. https://kiwifarms.st/threads/charlie-kirk-aftermath-gravedancing-and-manhunt.228263/page-519#post-22511739

Not for the fainthearted.

I’m sorry, is it not clear and undeniable that this was a far left motivated political assassination? Why are people still pushing the ‘far right’ narrative?
it’s been confirmed that the shooter was the only left leaning member of his family, and that he was living with his trans identified male partner? And the inscriptions on the bullet casing do refer to trans and antifa ideology? I feel like I’m living in a parallel reality to some people, who are so eager to absolve the left they don’t believe what’s right in front of our eyes.

Ok lol

Amazing!!!!!!

I did not agree with all his politics, I didn't like to see people celebrating his death as it shows they have no empathy for what his children will go through, one of my biggest fears would be that they are weopanised for political gain

The fact that he lived with a trans is my evidence 🙄