Charlie Kirk- and the reality

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So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

This. There are powerful pro gun lobbies in the US like the NRA who will advocate that scores of five and six year olds having their heads blown off is the precisely the reason that everyone should be allowed to carry a gun.

The New York Post claim to have the direct source, and I think Fox News independently. Now obviously you are free to think they are lying, but that’s the claim.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15096571/Trans-partner-Charlie-Kirk-killer-Tyler-Robinson.html

Exactly. There’s been dozens of threads on this OP. The truth will come out eventually as to the political leanings of the murderer.

He was a racist who talked about “prowling blacks” and said he wouldn’t get into a plane with a black pilot. He said he wouldn’t let his 9-10 year old daughters terminate a pregnancy if they were pregnant through rape.

Lots of religions have views others find weird. We can't call it dangerous otherwise it sounds phobic/intolerant.

Many Americans support gun ownership. Are you American? That is their choice. He recognised that people wanted the right bear arms and that sadly innocent deaths would occur due to that. He wasn't 'justifying' gun violence.

IMHO his views are irrelevant. What’s relevant is the urge to kill and how that could have been prevented:

• how he came to think it was OK to kill someone
• if he knew that meant he was probably quite unwell
• what safe, non-judgemental help was easily available to him when feeling like that, and
• how he obtained a weapon to do it.

It’s perfectly possible for people to have what are considered to be extreme views and not cause any harm to other people as a result of those views.

For example, you can have the view that abortion should be unlawful. But if you stand outside a clinic harassing women and staff, you’re causing them harm.

If you speak in an hateful way about other people, just because of who they are, how they choose to live or what they believe, you’re causing them harm.

If you do this as a person of influence (e.g. politician), you have to expect some people will respond to that hate by physically harming or intimidating people. It’s irresponsible.

The reality is that a lot of people were celebrating his death. Not on here particularly but a lot on Tiktok etc. It's the reaction to his death that is most disturbing, not the identity or affiliations of his murderer.

Yes. They are all over what appears to be his social media. People are free not to believe it’s him of course.

Exactly. I find it baffling how some people just don’t seem to be able to grasp this. Being shocked at a man being shot on live stream at a university campus doesn’t make a person “right wing” and being shocked at the celebrations over it doesn’t either. A lot of leftists have lost their jobs over it too, in the reversal of “cancel culture” that I talked about on the FWR thread.

A law enforcement source also told the Wall Street Journal that the bullets found had pro trans ideology on them. Which has since proven to be false

Engage your brain please. Mud sticks and the truth won’t matter if people already believe the lies told when the news was hot. E.g many Americans are still convinced Obama is not American because of Trumps birther movement, even though it’s been proven to be false.

You need to realise that you are being manipulated and American law enforcement is as corrupt as they come. Read the book “Just Mercy” if you want to get an idea of the lengths the American justice system will go to prevent justice if the truth doesn’t serve their agenda.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage

His comment about pilots was due to DEI initiates and are canditates chosen due to their ability or to fulfil quotas.

The answer to the hypothetical question about his daughter was of course wrong in most people's opinion but that's the thing, he would welcome you opposing his opinion without shutting you down with abuse and hysteria.

You didn't have to agree with him but he had strong religious beliefs as do many.

The left exaggerate and twist his words so they can criticise him because he was an influential voice on the right. It’s a shame he isn’t around anymore to respond. I listened to a few of the debates Kirk took part in, and he always came across as very reasoned. And unlike a lot of the hysterical screaming and aggressive voices on the left, he was always polite and respectful.

I’ve asked AI for you and it tells us the following.

Yes, according to law enforcement and media reports, Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin, Tyler Robinson, was living with a transgender partner named Lance Twiggs in St. George, Utah

Details of the relationship and investigation:

• Relationship and residence: A law enforcement source confirmed to the New York Post that Robinson was living with Twiggs, who was in the process of transitioning from male to female. Public records also show that the two resided at the same address. The FBI has confirmed they were in a romantic relationship.
• Cooperation with the FBI: Twiggs is fully cooperating with the FBI investigation and, according to senior officials, was unaware of Robinson's alleged plan to kill Charlie Kirk.
• Evidence collected: The FBI has collected additional evidence from the apartment the two shared, including computers that were sent to Quantico for review. Twiggs also shared key evidence regarding bullet casings and the location of a rifle.
• Twiggs' family comments: A relative of Twiggs confirmed to the New York Post that they were roommates but declined to speculate on a romantic relationship. Twiggs' grandfather also confirmed to the Daily Mail that Twiggs had been in contact with police.

none of these are direct quotes. Can you provide the exact quotes?

this is how misinformation gets spread.

Nothing productive ever comes from these ‘discussions’. People so so entrenched in their views.

those cultures where woman are forced to ‘submit’, marry men they don’t want to. Not have job. Ect. Do you think they are dangerous?

Of course!!!! If you don’t , I find that exceptionally disturbing. Forced marriage is a form of violence against women / girls and a violation of basic human rights , and forcing women to submit to , and be financially dependent on , their male partners creates the conditions for domestic violence, which is a very serious and dangerous problem .

You’ve asked AI? 😂🤦🏼‍♀️

But it hasn’t actually “been established that is complete bullshit”. This is an example of disinformation.

So he thinks black pilots are more likely to be incompetent than white pilots.

There’s an AI element to search engine’s now. Takes one second to hit the button. Your laughing response kind of proves that you might just be wrong which is somewhat cringey for you 😬

Grok said that Robinson was a groyper.

Well a Christian would believe people should live according to the Bible. Do you think other religions living according to their religious books similarly harmful?

And it’s often wrong. It often makes things up that sound right but have no basis in fact or the sources used.

If you want to prove it - please provide the original source for AI’s claim that the FBI confirmed they are in a romantic relationship. Go on…

I’ve no idea what has been established as fact at this point, I’m not up to date on the latest developments so can’t comment on them.