Charlie Kirk- and the reality

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So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

Fgs, how is 'rabid' an insult? 😂

Again, I posted text from a Sunday Times news article. I didn't make it up or see it on Twitter.

If you don't like what the ST are reporting why not contact them and tell them they're wrong?

He was religious and a patriot. He didn't believe that kids should get 'transitioned'. He wasn't a big fan of people getting ahead because of DEI initiatives and wanted to control immigration.

He believed in free speech and was able to listen to opposing views and challenge people respectfully.

Nothing 'awkward' about it. He had a massive following he clearly struck a chord with many Americans.

If you read US media it appears this information came from a law enforcement source which various news outlets like the New York post have had confirmed to them. This is the way most journalism works.

There is zero evidence that the shooter was right wing. Lots of evidence to indicate the contrary. Therefore, on the basis if the information that is available the OPs statement is incorrect

Exactly. Newspaper reports discussing evidence are “unsubstantiated” but the Reddit/Bluesky theories about the wording on the bullet casing are apparently gospel. There is no consensus online that they mean he is a “groyper” as people are confidently claiming. It’s one idea. There are other interpretations.

I think it’s quite obvious why, personally. Looking at some of the characters on this thread.

If this online sleuthing is true. What does a trans room mate have to do with a killers motives?

Yes, the source traces back to the NY Post. Have you read it? I have.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/

"A relative of Twiggs confirmed to The Post Saturday that “yes, they were roommates.”"

"The family member... declined to speculate on a romantic relationship between the two men."

"She said she didn’t know her relative’s politics or whether Twiggs was transitioning to become a woman"

So - please, since everyone is so confident on this point - tell me where is the definitive proof in the above that a) this person was TRs romantic partner, and b) that they were transitioning.

I’m of the opinion that Trump himself ordered this when Kirk said last week that the Epstein files need to be opened and it’s the right of the American people to see what’s in them. Trump loves no one but himself (he is I think a very classic narcissist). It’s also a marvellous opportunity to foment anger and insecurity and create more militaristic lockdowns.

He also believed that men and women have “biblical roles” in marriage and that women should “submit” to their husbands. How on earth people in 2025 Britain are trying to present this man’s opinions as moderate and harmless I cannot understand. His ideas were dangerous, and that’s before we even start on the justification/ rationalisation of gun violence.

And there are other news outlets saying the exact opposite. eg he shared with 2 other guys, neither transitioning and neither in a romantic relationship with him. That is why you are being called out.

Why? Surely you need to let the ST know not berate the pp.

This is indeed how it works. This is how the “Russian Conspiracy” of how Imane Khelif was just a poor put upon “cis woman” victimised by the evil boxing federation spread. People still parrot this nonsense now on Reddit.

If you don't like what the ST are reporting why not contact them and tell them they're wrong?

they arent wrong…they are just saying that ‘reports say’ not that any of those reports are facts

(and they may be facts…just not yet. I do feel very sorry for that room mate though!)

Whatever his motives or politics. It's true what Pratchett said, A lie will run round the world while the truth is still getting it's boots on.

This is true.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-shooting-charges-00562621
The criminal case against the man accused of killing Charlie Kirk will likely play out in a Utah county courthouse, under the control of local prosecutors.

Sorry, i think you forgot to quote the opening paragraph of the article
“WASHINGTON — Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from male to female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.”

😂😂😂

Do you really believe this? If so, you’ll believe anything. Papers will report what gives them clicks and views so long as there isn’t certainty of a costly defamation claim. Thats how they make money. It’s a balancing act between the ad revenue from the article and the cost of settling any potential defamation claim.

The Times don’t have a first-hand source and are simply rehashing second hand reports from less credible press. The fact the Times does not appear to have named which news source the allegation originated from, but simply says “there were reports”, suggests it knows those news sources are not credible sources but does not want to miss out on its share of ad revenue generated from reporting he had a trans partner.

Do you feel the same about traditional Muslim views? And in particular from those cultures where woman are forced to ‘submit’, marry men they don’t want to. Not have job. Ect. Do you think they are dangerous?

I didn’t say it had anything to do with a motive. I’m replying to the people who are saying there’s zero evidence the roommate was trans.

That’s what Candace Owens is hinting at. She says Kirk was changing his views on Israel and they knew that. But again, it’s just speculation though I’m sure the truth won’t come out if the government is behind it all

...but it's transphobic to leave out the context, ie that you have named 7 instances but left out that there were no less than 223 active shooter counts (acc to the FBI) for the last five full calendar years in the US (2020-2024)

I’m replying to the people who are saying there’s zero evidence the roommate was trans

there is zero evidence in the papers at the moment, thats all most of us are saying

It’s madness to suggest that a right wing personality was most likely murdered by someone more right wing when his own family has said Robinson held left wing beliefs and hated Kirk because he was “spreading hate” (as reported by both the Guardian and BBC). It’s far more likely he came from a family of typical Republicans and rebelled against that and that’s where the majority of the evidence is pointing.