Charlie Kirk- and the reality

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So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

Tyler Robinson had a transgender partner who he was living with. Plus in last few years most of the shootings on US campuses have been by transgenders.

So the Sunday Times are not presenting this as verified fact but merely as “reports”. Can you not see that?

Exactly.

And, repeat this all over the majority right-wing owned media and the idea that this was evil far left violence will stick as "truth" in many people's minds, no matter what the actual truth turns out to be.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes"

The times article just says there have been reports that he lived with a trans room mate

what the article does say is that despite having republican and religious parents, in the past few years he had rejected this and expressed opinions against theirs and had not been seen at church.

the roommate in question was cooperating and had provided access to the messages in which he (the shooter) told the roommate where to find the rifle

Tbh, I don't mind if people believe me or not. I've read it in the ST. If it's not true it will be corrected i suppose. If it is true it will be reported increasingly.

"there were reports"

So in other words, no more evidence than already linked to on this thread which is hugely extrapolated speculation from entirely inconclusive comments from the roommate's family.

There were also reports that they'd arrested the shooter soon after it happened. This was false.

There were reports the bullets had trans slogans on them. This was false.

When a newspaper says "there were reports", what it means is there are rumours that have not yet been substantiated by any official source.

Keep wishing. however your wish on this occasion is unlikely to be granted.
Frankly, I can't see that it matters what political persuasion either the victim or killer was.
A man didn't like what someone else said, so shot him dead.

Oh wow my post was badly timed

still the times is only repeating other unverified news

Christ alive.

Christ, do people seriously trust GB news as an acceptable mainstream source of information now?

It's over. 😥

If you don't know that it's true why the fuck are you repeating it as fact. Do you not see how irresponsible and downright dumb that is?

'Yesterday, there were reports that Robinson was living with his male partner, who was undergoing gender reassignment to live as a woman. The partner is now co-operating with the FBI investigation, according to Fox News.'

Reports from where exactly? The same spurious NY Post article?

It will

and I don’t think anyone was not believing that article existed…just that it doesn’t say what you think it says

But I imagine they wouldn't report it unless there was some truth in it.

Time will tell I suppose.

It was over when people started celebrating a father, son and husband having his throat blown out.

Yesterday, there were reports that Robinson was living with his male partner, who was undergoing gender reassignment to live as a woman

right So not reporting this as fact at all, merely referencing the rumours without a source.

I had never heard of Charlie Kirk. But given the coverage on BBC, I have now.

But I imagine they wouldn't report it unless there was some truth in it

not sure thats how media works

Come on now, you must be smarter than this. "They wouldn't report it unless there was some truth in it"?

The events and false rumours over the last three days would prove you wrong immediately, even without considering the amount of other retractions and corrections that newspapers make on a daily basis.

As I keep saying. It is being reported in The Sunday Times. I'm not making it up. I assume the ST checks it's sources and is reasonably accurate with the news it reports.

No, no and no.

You didn't say that in earlier posts.

You didn't even reference the Times.

You outright stated that he was living with a trans partner.

It's been intriguing to watch how the MAGA side have been twisting around on this.

They so much wanted the assassin to be a Democrat or 'far left'. They were pretty much declaring war on the left and holding them all responsible.

Now it looks quite likely that the killer was right wing.

Saw a MAGA post this morning. 'It doesn't matter who shot him. What matters is the reaction of the left.'

First off - 'the left' reacted in many different ways. Many condemned the killing.

Second, the right hardly covered themselves in glory in the past in how they responded to violence against Democrats. Fact is, there are people ready to make nasty comments on both sides.

The doxxing of leftists by MAGA has also been remarkable to see. The reporting of people to their employers. What happened to 'free speech'? Forget the 'freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences' bullshit. If you can't say something without fear of losing your job or worse, you don't have free speech.

Charlie Kirk shooter has a transgender partner.
Denver shooter was trans
Aberdeen shooter was trans
Nashville shooter was trans
Philadelphia shooter was trans
Colorado Springs was binary
Iowa shooter was gender fluid
Minneapolis shooter was trans
So not right wing as you so smugly wanted.

Where are you getting this from? Most shooting shave been by transgenders????