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BrummiMummi · 14/09/2025 11:15

YourLemonTiger · 13/09/2025 18:21

You don't sound far right to me OP. You sound a little bit left and a little bit right so overall centrist.

IMO most people are centrist but that's boring and doesn't translate into clicks so everything has to be pushed as either far right or far left these days 🙄

You could be a trans masc non binary lesbian them who builds homes for refugees with your own hands (when you're not campaigning for Palestinians or knitting tents for the homeless) but if you also quite like Trump then you're 'far right' and you should hang your head in shame. 😂

This was what I was referring to with the no blurry middle anymore! Totally agree 👍🏻

randomchap · 14/09/2025 11:18

ilovesooty · 14/09/2025 11:14

Don't feel tempted to engage with the likes of that poster. It was goading yesterday and it's goading today. Don't give it what it wants.

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I'm not really engaging with them, I'm just pointing out their lies for anyone else reading the thread.

ilovesooty · 14/09/2025 11:25

randomchap · 14/09/2025 11:18

I'm not really engaging with them, I'm just pointing out their lies for anyone else reading the thread.

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Point taken, but posters like that just get off on the attention. It will probably goad until someone loses their temper then it'll be straight to the report button.

Thegreyhound · 14/09/2025 11:40

24karatPalamino · 13/09/2025 22:50

You sound perfectly normal to me.

I agree with a lot of what you wrote. I’ll also be voting reform, am heartbroken by the death of Charlie Kirk and am so glad Trump won the American presidency.

After last week I am going to be loud and proud about my beliefs. I am not ashamed. I know I’m a good person and I don’t need anyone else to agree.

Well they definitely won’t

Strawberriesandlemon · 14/09/2025 11:42

Nagginthenag · 14/09/2025 11:04

'My point was British culture is becoming watered down, because it generally is. I didn’t come here for an argument. I’m just saying what I’ve seen.'

Could you give an example of how British culture is being watered down by immigrants? Rather than say, our love of all things American, or the fact that very few people go to church.

I’ve already answered that last night. Listed the reasons why I think so.

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 11:42

Allisnotlost1 · 14/09/2025 09:36

Well yes, but all countries have culture - it’s just not monolithic. The flag people seem to struggle with that. People can be proud of who they are without waving flags, without supporting sports, while also having empathy for people who have had to flee their country. People are also entitled not to feel pride, or anything much at all, about the country of their birth. Identity is important but some of you can’t imagine a string identity without nationalism. It’s curious. And many of those wrapping themselves in the St George would be almost as hostile to you, a Welsh person.

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No one is saying that everybody has to celebrate their culture… or if they do want to, that they have to do it in exactly the same way.

If you want to wave flags or wrap yourself in the St George Cross, whatever, then be my guest. I don’t find that strange or offensive. I don’t find it right wing and I don’t think it’s a fascist or racist thing to do.

I also don’t ever view myself as a victim, so I would be unlikely to see or recognise hostility towards me “as a Welsh woman” if that even exists.

Equally I don’t care if you don’t want to wave flags or recognise your culture. That’s up to you.

What I care about is when people who feel morally superior, try and tell me how to feel, what to do, or whether I’m a good person or not, based only on their one sided view of what is right.

We have all been forced to pick a side and have been sold the evils of the other side. It’s all a load of nonsense to be honest.

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 11:43

Thegreyhound · 14/09/2025 11:40

Well they definitely won’t

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You mean you won’t. That’s ok.

Thegreyhound · 14/09/2025 11:44

RoseAndGeranium · 14/09/2025 10:25

Ok, let’s start with a very basic example of why some working class white communities might, independently of ‘bad actors’ fomenting nativist rage amongst the ignorant, feel that immigration from cultures with different values to our own has been detrimental to their own lives: the Pakistani majority child rape gangs. Plainly it is not all Pakistanis who behave in this way, but there is plenty of evidence now that there is a cultural issue with this in some Pakistani communities and that it is racially inflected. There is also considerable evidence that police officers participated in or covered up these offences, and that local authorities, which were often dominated by those of Pakistani ethnicity, also worked to suppress knowledge of these crimes. How does it help anyone at all, least of all the little girls attacked and trafficked by these gangs, to insist that the real problems in society are very rich people, or that multiculturalism is always a strength?

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What about the white, billionaire child grooming gang headed up by Jeffrey Epstein and cheered on by Peter Mandelson?
What about the powerful white Catholic grooming gang headed up by The Pope?
What about the white policemen who covered up and even joined in?
It seems strange- some would argue racist- to obsess over the skin colour of some grooming gangs and ignore that of others

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 11:47

Thegreyhound · 14/09/2025 11:44

What about the white, billionaire child grooming gang headed up by Jeffrey Epstein and cheered on by Peter Mandelson?
What about the powerful white Catholic grooming gang headed up by The Pope?
What about the white policemen who covered up and even joined in?
It seems strange- some would argue racist- to obsess over the skin colour of some grooming gangs and ignore that of others

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I don’t want ANY groomers or child abusers in our country. Sadly I can’t do anything about the indigenous ones except hope they are sent to prison. I don’t believe in adding to the problem however, by inviting more in.

Come to the country by all means, but if you can’t prove who you are, or whether in that case you have a criminal history, in my mind I can’t welcome you.

Tedsnan1 · 14/09/2025 11:48

fastingforweightloss · 13/09/2025 16:45

I agree with all your viewpoints Op, and I do consider myself far right.

Nothing wrong with that. I think most people when they get to middle age see things much clearer than they did when they were a do-gooding, be kind touting snow flake 18 year old.

Wow!

Thegreyhound · 14/09/2025 11:49

brytersky · 14/09/2025 10:55

All men are a potential threat, so why add to the problem by adding thousands of unpredictable young males who follow a misogynistic and backwards looking religion?

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I’m struggling to think of a religion that isn’t misogynistic and backwards tbh

Poetnojo · 14/09/2025 11:50

Septemberisaweirdmonth · 13/09/2025 16:12

Years ago I would have described myself as liberal and on the left. Over recent years the things I seem to agree with seem to be considered to be on the right and even far right

Examples:

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

Whilst I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point.

I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that. My ideal scenario now would be a nice community, homeschooling and raising kids.

I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle (I don’t tell anyone this though)

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection

I quite like Trump

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life

Have I become far right?

I could have almost written this word for word myself OP and I'd consider myself Right leaning, I used to consider myself Left leaning.
I the words of Grandpa Simpson
" I used to be with 'it', but then they changed what 'it' was. Now what I'm with isn't 'it' anymore and what's 'it' seems weird and scary. It'll happen to you!

EasternStandard · 14/09/2025 11:52

Thegreyhound · 14/09/2025 11:40

Well they definitely won’t

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How do you know what everyone else agrees with?

Nagginthenag · 14/09/2025 11:55

Strawberriesandlemon · 13/09/2025 22:56

Sorry forgot to answer also the decline I see is the old school values. Neighbours, family, close knit local circles.
people attend church less. In fact it’s much more common people don’t anymore, some schools near me aren’t even allowed to celebrate Easter or Christmas anymore. These are traditional Christian values. Which I think is sad.
I would never move abroad and insist they don’t celebrate their own religious holidays or try and change things to suit me.
our children don’t socialise the same anymore.
our nightlife is dying out.
our high streets are dying out.
I blame the internet for a lot of the problems and extreme views.
everyone is so scared of offending someone nowadays that it’s just creating a huge load of anxiety and mental health problems. Just my opinion.

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Strawberries and lemon, is this the post you mean from yesterday.

I've read it, and literally nothing you've posted has anything to do with immigrants, legal or otherwise. We're doing this to ourselves. Schools not 'allowed to celebrate Easter or Christmas' - where on earth are you getting this from?

Nightlife and high streets dying? This isn't anyone's fault but those who shop online (it's Brits doing that, you know). Nightlife dying - well not in Liverpool, but again, that's down to us, not immigrants.

Old school values of friends, family, neighbours - you just have to look on here at the number of posters who are no contact with family, hate their in-laws, don't answer the front door etc etc - again, that's down to us.

No migrants are trying to stop us celebrating Easter and Christmas or any other traditional festivals. It's us. All down to us. Being lazy, losing interest, being in thrall to the internet.

Maybe we just need to take a long hard look at ourselves and stop trying to blame 'others'.

Allisnotlost1 · 14/09/2025 11:55

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 11:42

No one is saying that everybody has to celebrate their culture… or if they do want to, that they have to do it in exactly the same way.

If you want to wave flags or wrap yourself in the St George Cross, whatever, then be my guest. I don’t find that strange or offensive. I don’t find it right wing and I don’t think it’s a fascist or racist thing to do.

I also don’t ever view myself as a victim, so I would be unlikely to see or recognise hostility towards me “as a Welsh woman” if that even exists.

Equally I don’t care if you don’t want to wave flags or recognise your culture. That’s up to you.

What I care about is when people who feel morally superior, try and tell me how to feel, what to do, or whether I’m a good person or not, based only on their one sided view of what is right.

We have all been forced to pick a side and have been sold the evils of the other side. It’s all a load of nonsense to be honest.

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Your point was about culture, which is what I was responding to. I don’t know where you get the idea that anyone is calling you a victim, or telling you what to do to be honest.

i agree though that the idea of sides has been sold by those who profit from division. People are just people.

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 11:58

I think what’s happening, is that normal people no longer care about the name calling. The labels are all quite meaningless.

That’s why sadly it turned so violent last week in the case of Charlie Kirk, because name calling was no longer enough to shut down the words some people can’t handle.

God help us if people can’t just learn to accept other people have the right to an opinion.

Strawberriesandlemon · 14/09/2025 12:02

Nagginthenag · 14/09/2025 11:55

Strawberries and lemon, is this the post you mean from yesterday.

I've read it, and literally nothing you've posted has anything to do with immigrants, legal or otherwise. We're doing this to ourselves. Schools not 'allowed to celebrate Easter or Christmas' - where on earth are you getting this from?

Nightlife and high streets dying? This isn't anyone's fault but those who shop online (it's Brits doing that, you know). Nightlife dying - well not in Liverpool, but again, that's down to us, not immigrants.

Old school values of friends, family, neighbours - you just have to look on here at the number of posters who are no contact with family, hate their in-laws, don't answer the front door etc etc - again, that's down to us.

No migrants are trying to stop us celebrating Easter and Christmas or any other traditional festivals. It's us. All down to us. Being lazy, losing interest, being in thrall to the internet.

Maybe we just need to take a long hard look at ourselves and stop trying to blame 'others'.

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Yes. If you read my original post you will see that I haven’t blamed it all on immigration at all. I have mainly blamed it on the internet and social media. But also how our country has changed. I got pulled into the immigration debate by an individual that was obsessing over my point of me thinking it’s sad that some of traditional British holidays aren’t being celebrated anymore in some parts, because we as a country are afraid to offend people of other religions, or in some parts are dominated by others, rarely than living peacefully in harmony, and coming over here and respecting our way of life, like I would if I moved abroad.

OneBadKitty · 14/09/2025 12:06

Allisnotlost1 · 14/09/2025 10:57

Most of us in the UK are ‘born of immigration’ at one time. Including those who actively try to set us against st each other. Personally I think it’s good to see unused churches and church halls, which would otherwise be derelict and vandalised, being used by the community. The Catholic Church near me has been demolished for flats. The decline of church attendance is nothing to do with immigration. You get generations from immigrant communities are also less likely to practice their faith of heritage.

As you say, in more deprived areas people seem to find it harder to accept the changes. And that’s (in my view) because certain people have deliberately positioned the issue as one of opposing sides battling over resources. In areas where people are better off, that rhetoric simply doesn’t wash (though doesn’t mean the racism doesn’t stick sometimes too).

So if you agree it’s about poverty rather than race, what do you think are the solutions?

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You are very conveniently ignoring large parts of the anecdotes I have given you to push your belief that immigration is not a problem. No, immigration is not a problem in numbers which are small enough to integrate with the local communities and cultures can exist side by side. Yes, Christianity is in decline but that is not the reason why churches have closed in Asian majority areas, it’s because the Christian community has moved away from the area because they feel in a minority. Mass immigration into certain areas like those in Bradford is on a scale where the local culture is replaced with that of another- I don’t know how you can argue otherwise.

OneFairMintFawn · 14/09/2025 12:09

randomchap · 14/09/2025 11:11

I expect the numbers will rise as the CCTV is checked. It's a well known tactic to not arrest people on the day unless someone is in immediate danger. Much like the far right riots last year, many people were picked up afterwards.

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It was a peaceful March and you can't get your lefty head around it , which of course, is delicious!

randomchap · 14/09/2025 12:11

OneFairMintFawn · 14/09/2025 12:09

It was a peaceful March and you can't get your lefty head around it , which of course, is delicious!

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26 police officers being injured disproves your assertion that it was peaceful. Why do you keep lying?

flyingsquirrelsagogo · 14/09/2025 12:12

Strawberriesandlemon · 14/09/2025 12:02

Yes. If you read my original post you will see that I haven’t blamed it all on immigration at all. I have mainly blamed it on the internet and social media. But also how our country has changed. I got pulled into the immigration debate by an individual that was obsessing over my point of me thinking it’s sad that some of traditional British holidays aren’t being celebrated anymore in some parts, because we as a country are afraid to offend people of other religions, or in some parts are dominated by others, rarely than living peacefully in harmony, and coming over here and respecting our way of life, like I would if I moved abroad.

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Which British holidays aren’t being celebrated anymore?

Strawberriesandlemon · 14/09/2025 12:21

As I’ve said, I know of 2 schools in my local area that no longer celebrate Easter and Christmas.

i go to church. I am a devout Christian. But I also respect other peaceful religions. Just not extremists of any.

Too many of you have been unaffected by it so far it seems. Let’s come back to this in a couple of years time, when the government have housed a load of them in your local area, with no idea who they are, their crimes, their background. Your teenagers are afraid to leave the house. you walk to your local shop and feel like the minority. Drug rates go up. More police patrolling the area. Vandalism of local landmarks and then you are directly affected by it. Then we will see how you feel then about great old Britain. Because it is happening. They are going to housing in your towns soon enough.

ilovesooty · 14/09/2025 12:23

randomchap · 14/09/2025 12:11

26 police officers being injured disproves your assertion that it was peaceful. Why do you keep lying?

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Of course the idea that the march was peaceful is misinformation. Anyone with any common sense can see that.

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 12:23

randomchap · 14/09/2025 12:11

26 police officers being injured disproves your assertion that it was peaceful. Why do you keep lying?

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How do you know the injuries weren’t caused by counter protesters?
This image is from the Met police themselves.

ilovesooty · 14/09/2025 12:24

Well that's a wrap.