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Am I considered far right now?

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Septemberisaweirdmonth · 13/09/2025 16:12

Years ago I would have described myself as liberal and on the left. Over recent years the things I seem to agree with seem to be considered to be on the right and even far right

Examples:

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

Whilst I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point.

I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that. My ideal scenario now would be a nice community, homeschooling and raising kids.

I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle (I don’t tell anyone this though)

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection

I quite like Trump

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life

Have I become far right?

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Lilactimes · 14/09/2025 08:05

HPFA · 13/09/2025 17:12

"Fiscal responsibility"

Given Farage wanted a Brexit that has cost the country billions, has plans for massive tax cuts with no clue as to how to pay for them, and is planning to spend billions on mass deportations I'd say the last thing you"ll get from him is sound finances.

Farage has no interest in solving real problems. Wheres his solution to cleaning up rivers, social care, school buildings? Has he ever expressed any interest in these things?

This is so true. Farage’s financial plans do not make sense. They sound great but I just can not see how they would pan out.

The numbers of people arriving on boats are absolutely not the reason why our services are in trouble. Yes they cost money to house during the asylum process but this money would not fix the problems in the country.

Lilactimes · 14/09/2025 08:14

AspiringChatBot · 14/09/2025 07:30

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

You see nothing wrong with it inherently, or you don't see how a drive to "save British culture" is being weaponised by regressive elements and chaos-seekers? I wouldn't say the laws for preserving the French language, for example, or the EU "Domain of Origin" laws are "far right" and haven't heard them called so. But using the alleged dilution of culture as an excuse to promote nativist and ethnic nationalist legislation and national policy might suggest some far-right sympathies.

Whilst I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.

This sounds like a defence of women's and children's rights. A far right position would wish to eliminate or suppress transgender people, rather than looking for ways to discuss and balance any potential or actual conflict of rights among multiple marginalised groups. I'd look at why you associate this stance with rightism; that might be a sign of internalised misogyny.

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly

So does EUropean arch liberal Donald Tusk, and he's taking steps to do so; is he "far right" now? This is the prevailing view, post-Merkel (who was herself a conservative) and is pretty openly voiced at least throughout the EU. The differences along the political spectrum here are mainly in (1) what are considered proportionate measures to deter immigration, (2) whether and when it's OK to abandon international agreements, and for what goals, and (3) the rhetoric around the whole discussion. Nativist and ethnonationalist motivations for closing borders and ceasing to take asylum applications may (appear to) be "far right" but they are pretty easy to spot.

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point. I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that.

This sounds like you are conflating personal social choices with legal and policy decisions. You and your partner made a choice that worked for your family; if you're insisting that yours is the only "right" way or you aren't as open to a family where the dad "stays at home" - or, much more practically in most cases, both parents divide childcare and other shared responsibilities equally - there could be some essentialism and misogyny going on. Those aren't inherently far right, but are typically regressive.

I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle

This sounds potentially authoritarian and inegalitarian, and could be a symptom of righter-than-centre fundamental views UNLESS there is some context like you are actively promoting and where possible working toward reducing the demand for abortion by introducing and normalising better methods of prevention, which necessarily include enabling women to resist sexual force and coercion. The idea that abortion is unacceptable except under very specific, government-mandated conditions is an authoritarian and misogynist position; advocates withhold abortion as a punishment rather than making a principled stand that it is inherently wrong and finding a viable (no pun intended) alternative.

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored

You can watch/read what you like and it's best to observe a spectrum, while also checking against primary sources where possible. However, Charlie Kirk was hyper-capitalist performance art and relied on misrepresenting his opponents and exploiting misinformation and prejudice in his audiences, so the view that "he made his points respectfully" could be confirmation bias of an inegalitarian perspective.

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection

Neither do many liberals or leftists; look at criticism and opposition from across the political spectrum in places like Austria that effectively DID make it the law. In less restrictive regimes like the UK, you have to weigh the perceived public good against the impingement upon individual freedoms. It's mainly the insistence that no one needs the vaccine and it's all a big conspiracy theory (see the USA, where even people fully insured privately or via their jobs were being jerked around for weeks with the possibility that COVID vaccines would not be available this year) that's been perceived as extreme.

I quite like Trump

Again, personal, and it depends on how well you understand what he is CURRENTLY doing. It's one thing to admire isolated actions or pieces of policy - e.g., to like how he imposed effective sanctions against lower-level genocidaires in Myanmar during his first term, or having a knee-jerk positive response to his threat to impose economic measures like tariffs on Russia's trading partners to put pressure on Russia over Ukraine (which is a dangerous precedent and part of an overall damaging and elitist strategy, but has broad superficial appeal). But if you are widely aligning yourself with the project of immediately and hastily dismantling US (and to an extent international) democratic institutions, however flawed, and simply not replacing them with anything except grift and personal gain then yes, that could be something in common with the radical right.

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life

Do you think that this extreme self-censorship may be contributing to the problem? If you with your long history of liberalism and leftism are not speaking up about these individual concerns and discussing them, can you be surprised if harder-line voices seem to have a monopoly on these views? I'm not advocating putting yourself in danger, but a victim mentality isn't helping anyone.

Such a long well thought out reply @AspiringChatBot.

RoseAndGeranium · 14/09/2025 08:15

Goldwren1923 · 14/09/2025 00:28

Why do you assume that it is illegal immigration?

legal migrants mostly work, pay taxes AND pay NHS surcharge, so they contribute towards NHS more than many Brits in low paid jobs or on benefits

I’m not assuming those requiring translators are all illegal migrants. I am assuming that they are all or almost all workless or so low paid as not to be net contributors. It is unlikely that many working in well paid jobs would need translation services as higher paid jobs typically require fluency or near fluency in English.

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 08:17

Teanbiscuits33 · 14/09/2025 04:41

No, I didn’t see the murder. Thankfully. I said I was indifferent to the fact he had died. I do have empathy, but not for someone I didn’t know nor think was a particularly nice person. Do you have empathy for everybody who dies? I mean, if no empathy means psychopathy then Charlie himself was a psychopath, no?

Someone you didn’t know, but you thought they weren’t a nice person. That is a contradiction.

The people who did know Charlie all say what a good person he was. I watched his full interviews and debates, not snippets without context, and I don’t think he was a bad person. He always explained his view and then tried to change ours. Sometimes successfully, sometimes not. But he helped a lot of people and he loved his family.

Millions of people around the globe are in mourning for him. So he can’t have been a bad person. I myself am about to get ready to go to church, something I do not normally do, but I’m going to honour a man I never met.

If god forbid anything so cruel happened to Jeremy Corby for example, someone I really don’t agree with, then I could not celebrate or even announce my indifference. I would feel the human emotion of sadness that something so heinous could occur because of a person’s beliefs. But I am apparently the bad person.

That’s why being called right wing Nazi or scum or fascist or racist, just because I lean right, no longer impacts me. Because I know the truth.

Lilactimes · 14/09/2025 08:18

Thegreyhound · 13/09/2025 22:12

Anti abortion is far right anywhere. Opposing such a fundamental right for women is deeply wrong.

This x 💯

Perfect28 · 14/09/2025 08:20

There is no innate culture. Sorry I didn't read much further than that because it's predicated on a lie, a myth. Culture has always changed.

Perfect28 · 14/09/2025 08:21

And yes, you sound far right

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 08:22

Perfect28 · 14/09/2025 08:20

There is no innate culture. Sorry I didn't read much further than that because it's predicated on a lie, a myth. Culture has always changed.

Don’t be so stupid. Of course there is unchanging innate culture. Do you say that about China? What about India?

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 08:25

A country without a culture is a place without identity. Without identity there is no pride, no respect, no appreciation.

Goodideaornot · 14/09/2025 08:29

topcat2014 · 13/09/2025 16:19

Sounds mainstream conservative to me,

This

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 08:31

CovenOfCheeses · 14/09/2025 07:58

There are lies, more lies and statistics. I would not trust the telegraph. Even if true, 100m is less than 0.005% of the NHS budget and value for money in preventing pandemics and serious illnesses by preventative action. Around the same amount is utilised in providing video games for children’s waiting areas and wards. The either or argument is fallacious.

But the DT’s investigative journalism and reporting on the Rayner scandal was spot on.

The tax cheat would still be in post if it wasn’t for the DT.

Please comment, thanks.

Perfect28 · 14/09/2025 08:33

@24karatPalaminoour history is very different from your examples. We have been invaded repeatedly and that's before we start talking colonisation.

Fearfulsaints · 14/09/2025 08:34

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 08:22

Don’t be so stupid. Of course there is unchanging innate culture. Do you say that about China? What about India?

I mean China is famous for its Cultural Revolution so im guessing some things change there

Lilactimes · 14/09/2025 08:38

StarDolphins · 13/09/2025 16:44

You’re not far right op. You’re a racist bigot🤣 According to the left anyway. And MN.

A lot of what you’ve said makes sense to a lot of people. Which is why Labour won’t get another term.

@StarDolphins it’s not about being on the left. It’s about finding the personal views and morals of people like Trump awful. He’s been heard saying he’d grab a woman by the pussy, he hung out with Epstein, he’s a convicted rapist!!!! He has really poor morals and through these he’s making judgements affecting millions.
It’s every woman’s right to get an abortion safely and any man who says he would stop that is wrong. And that’s not about being left wing it’s about wanting to empower women to make their own choices and stop people who think otherwise.

EasternStandard · 14/09/2025 09:02

Perfect28 · 14/09/2025 08:20

There is no innate culture. Sorry I didn't read much further than that because it's predicated on a lie, a myth. Culture has always changed.

Do you mean just here or there’s no culture anywhere?

OneBadKitty · 14/09/2025 09:10

BeCleverViewer · 14/09/2025 01:14

I completely agree, I think England is one of the least racist places in the world. And I think that on the whole we get along, but I do think that there are groups of people that hate the fact that that is true. England is around 85%. White the rest is mixed. It's been that way for nearly a 1000 years. But you get this uneducated people who just refuse to accept the reality of that, both on the left and the right in regards to the flags, they ve been weaponsed.We should be able to take them back both from thugs and from leftists, who have no loyalty to anything.

I agree that England is one of the most tolerant countries in the world. However, the white British population is not 85%. In the last census less than 74% identified as white and British and that figure is decreasing year on year, that was four years ago. So while in some areas the majority is white, in other areas the white British population is actually in a minority, like in London for example, where over 60% of people identify as something 'other'. There are localised areas across the country where primary schools have no white British children attending. These areas of concentrated immigration are usually where the far right views begin to take hold as people see first hand the issues caused by immigration, and feeling outnumbered in your own community also leads to cultural clashes, fear of change, loss of local traditional British culture and coupled with poverty in the same areas it's no wonder there is unrest.

HerewardtheSleepy · 14/09/2025 09:11

Nope. You're a one-nation Tory and a breed the country needs a lot more of.

NotOvertheWorstofit · 14/09/2025 09:17

justasking111 · 13/09/2025 23:12

It's Saturday night, people are tired and emotional. Still less made up threads this weekend which is a win

Haha yeah. OP is sat back with a wine having a good laugh. Dropping in the odd inflammatory comment to stoke the fire.

Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 14/09/2025 09:24

Septemberisaweirdmonth · 13/09/2025 16:12

Years ago I would have described myself as liberal and on the left. Over recent years the things I seem to agree with seem to be considered to be on the right and even far right

Examples:

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

Whilst I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point.

I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that. My ideal scenario now would be a nice community, homeschooling and raising kids.

I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle (I don’t tell anyone this though)

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection

I quite like Trump

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life

Have I become far right?

i could have written this about myself! Tbh i would rather be considered right wing than be a left wing lunatic.

Allisnotlost1 · 14/09/2025 09:36

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 08:25

A country without a culture is a place without identity. Without identity there is no pride, no respect, no appreciation.

Well yes, but all countries have culture - it’s just not monolithic. The flag people seem to struggle with that. People can be proud of who they are without waving flags, without supporting sports, while also having empathy for people who have had to flee their country. People are also entitled not to feel pride, or anything much at all, about the country of their birth. Identity is important but some of you can’t imagine a string identity without nationalism. It’s curious. And many of those wrapping themselves in the St George would be almost as hostile to you, a Welsh person.

Jmaho · 14/09/2025 09:36

The confusing part for me is the left leaning people who detest Trump and say refugees are welcome etc do they not realise that the vast majority of refugees coming to this country will have beliefs that would be considered extremely far right?
Why is that not an issue?

Allisnotlost1 · 14/09/2025 09:39

OneBadKitty · 14/09/2025 09:10

I agree that England is one of the most tolerant countries in the world. However, the white British population is not 85%. In the last census less than 74% identified as white and British and that figure is decreasing year on year, that was four years ago. So while in some areas the majority is white, in other areas the white British population is actually in a minority, like in London for example, where over 60% of people identify as something 'other'. There are localised areas across the country where primary schools have no white British children attending. These areas of concentrated immigration are usually where the far right views begin to take hold as people see first hand the issues caused by immigration, and feeling outnumbered in your own community also leads to cultural clashes, fear of change, loss of local traditional British culture and coupled with poverty in the same areas it's no wonder there is unrest.

Just so you know, not all people who tick ‘something other’ are immigrants.

I’ve lived in very mixed areas and very white areas. And - call me strange but, I never felt that my culture was being eroded, and I never needed to defend my ‘own community’. Because cultural values are a bit more embedded than what someone has for dinner, or what they look like.

No wonder there is unrest, yes - but not because it’s inevitable. Because bad actors have fomented the idea that white working class people are hard done by by black and brown working class people, rather than by the economic system which they prop up. And why have those bad actors done that? Money. So all the time people support the likes of Robinson, or Farage, they are really saying ‘I don’t care about my culture, my community, I’ll rather line the pockets of people who are already much richer than me’. Farage took a German passport so he didn’t have to be bound by the Brexit rules he wanted for everyone else. Robinson has convictions relating to DV and harassment and stalking of a woman, but claims he cares about women’s safety?

Unrest is not inevitable, but it is profitable.

80smonster · 14/09/2025 09:42

Baaaa baaaa. Enjoy reading Sheeple.

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 14/09/2025 09:49

You should feel embarrassed.

justasking111 · 14/09/2025 10:03

80smonster · 14/09/2025 09:42

Baaaa baaaa. Enjoy reading Sheeple.

Haven't you got some homework to do 🙄

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