Am I considered far right now?

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Years ago I would have described myself as liberal and on the left. Over recent years the things I seem to agree with seem to be considered to be on the right and even far right

Examples:

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

Whilst I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point.

I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that. My ideal scenario now would be a nice community, homeschooling and raising kids.

I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle (I don’t tell anyone this though)

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection

I quite like Trump

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life

Have I become far right?

@Allisnotlost1 , yes of course that is true, but most who identify as other than White British are born of immigration.

I live in one of the mixed areas you speak of, probably with about 20% of mainly Pakistani origin and the British culture is alive and well and both cultures rub along nicely. Like you say, it's not about what you eat. However, it is a middle class area with people with liberal views on the whole.

A mile or two away is a very different area with a much higher concentration of recent immigrants, asylum seekers, and a well established Pakistani community which is the majority population in this area. Here there is little trace of the old community facilities- the churches are now closed and used as Muslim community centres, the shops are specialist asian stores, the pubs are long gone and derelict, the parks are no-go areas where people are mugged, there is dangerous driving, drug dealing, many of the houses are unkempt and the gardens filled with rubbish. The white population has long since left the area. Now I realise much of this is due to poverty rather than race, but it's hard for people to accept that a once working class white majority area of town is now changed beyond recognition. Traditional British culture has been literally eradicated in this area.

Ok, let’s start with a very basic example of why some working class white communities might, independently of ‘bad actors’ fomenting nativist rage amongst the ignorant, feel that immigration from cultures with different values to our own has been detrimental to their own lives: the Pakistani majority child rape gangs. Plainly it is not all Pakistanis who behave in this way, but there is plenty of evidence now that there is a cultural issue with this in some Pakistani communities and that it is racially inflected. There is also considerable evidence that police officers participated in or covered up these offences, and that local authorities, which were often dominated by those of Pakistani ethnicity, also worked to suppress knowledge of these crimes. How does it help anyone at all, least of all the little girls attacked and trafficked by these gangs, to insist that the real problems in society are very rich people, or that multiculturalism is always a strength?

Agree. Typical leftist garbage: do as I say and not as I do.

Utterly pathetic.

I had no idea people still said this. I thought it died out round about 2010. How retro!

So British culture is reduced to a baying mob of mostly males lobbing missiles at police, screaming racist invective in the streets and pissing at the kerb. Gotcha. I'm obviously not British then.

Was a great day gor them all. Only 9 arrest as opposed to the 980 the week before from another protest in London, that must've been tough for the met police that day. Well done all who attended.

How does it help anyone at all, least of all the little girls attacked and trafficked by these gangs, to insist that the real problems in society are very rich people, or that multiculturalism is always a strength?
@RoseAndGeranium but the two are not impossible together. I can believe that most of the anti-multiculturalism is stoked by wealthy elites to distract us from other problems. And I can want to more effectively police grooming gangs of any colour or creed to protect our children.

There are no "always, definitely, absolutely" about anything really.
There's always nuance and discrepancies that must be accounted for, surely?

It very handily forgets that statistics show women and children are far more likely to be abused and assaulted by their nearest and dearest, their husbands, brothers, fathers, uncles, family friends etc than they are by strangers.

Of course the issue of grooming gangs should be addressed. All grooming gangs, of every culture and background including white British (the Blackrod gang for example) . But let's not forget who poses the biggest threat to our children rather than pushing the blame on to 'others'.

There was more than 9 arrests, there were 25 according to the Met

It's already been pointed out in this thread, are you lying deliberately? Not kept up with the news? Or just happy spreading misinformation

Well, I think it was more like 25. The rest had to get home in time to beat their wives and kids.

All men are a potential threat, so why add to the problem by adding thousands of unpredictable young males who follow a misogynistic and backwards looking religion?

Most of us in the UK are ‘born of immigration’ at one time. Including those who actively try to set us against st each other. Personally I think it’s good to see unused churches and church halls, which would otherwise be derelict and vandalised, being used by the community. The Catholic Church near me has been demolished for flats. The decline of church attendance is nothing to do with immigration. You get generations from immigrant communities are also less likely to practice their faith of heritage.

As you say, in more deprived areas people seem to find it harder to accept the changes. And that’s (in my view) because certain people have deliberately positioned the issue as one of opposing sides battling over resources. In areas where people are better off, that rhetoric simply doesn’t wash (though doesn’t mean the racism doesn’t stick sometimes too).

So if you agree it’s about poverty rather than race, what do you think are the solutions?

I have never said ‘white’ ever. If you went to church which I am assuming you don’t. You would know that a LOT of Christians and British people come in different skin colours.

I was saying our British culture and traditions are getting watered down. Everyone’s scared to say anything anymore in case it offends someone. Britain is traditionally a Christian country. Which is why we have the holidays that we do. It has nothing to do with skin colour.

I think it’s very naive to think these men that passed through several different ‘safe’ European countries then get in a little boat didn’t do that for no reason. We are known for being soft. Some of the countries they come from they think women are their property, and do as they please. Because there are other religions, and extremists in those. Hence terriost attacks. We as a country are all just walking on eggshells now.

I have zero problem with people coming to our country and respecting our traditions and the way we live peacefully. But sadly many don’t. As demonstrated many times, and they are just the ones you hear about in the news,

my point was British culture is becoming watered down, because it generally is. I didn’t come here for an argument. I’m just saying what I’ve seen.

Okay, if it makes you happy, bump it up to 25. Still that's 955 less than last week.

Do you think all people seeking asylum are Muslim?

If it makes me happy?

Facts matter

Quite a few of them are. I don't believe the government hold statistics, but the countries they're coming from are mainly muslim. Somalia, Albania, Pakistan, Morocco, Afghanistan etc.

'My point was British culture is becoming watered down, because it generally is. I didn’t come here for an argument. I’m just saying what I’ve seen.'

Could you give an example of how British culture is being watered down by immigrants? Rather than say, our love of all things American, or the fact that very few people go to church.

I do wonder what you mean though by ‘getting watered down’. You mentioned schools near you choosing not to celebrate Easter - but plenty still do. You mentioned ‘everyone’ being afraid to say things but it’s obvious from the thread that plenty of people are saying things they believe. I don’t personally feel afaraid to say what I think. I think the political climate is very tense, and we’ve seen murders of people for their political beliefs, on left and right. But is that a watering down of culture? I don’t think so.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53721146

This is from 2020, but I wouldn't think it's massively changed. I think most legal migration comes from India from what I've read.

Keep watching, they might bump it up to 26.

I expect the numbers will rise as the CCTV is checked. It's a well known tactic to not arrest people on the day unless someone is in immediate danger. Much like the far right riots last year, many people were picked up afterwards.

The government do hold statistics. You can read them here. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2025/how-many-people-claim-asylum-in-the-uk

A high proportion of people who are from Muslim countries claim asylum on the grounds of religious and/or political persecution - ie they are not Muslim, not religious or not as hardline as the regime (see Iran and Afghanistan). It’s surely obvious to you that people running away from a regime are not in staunch agreement with it?

Don't feel tempted to engage with the likes of that poster. It was goading yesterday and it's goading today. Don't give it what it wants.

I'd say you are in the centre, not even that far right.

Tommy Robinson would be to the right of you, but he openly says he welcomes all races, faiths so he's not far right.

Then further right you have the ethno nationalists, so this is the likes of lotus eaters. They want England predominantly for the ancestral English / Northern Europeans from a genetics perspective but would tolerate some others.

Then actual far right would be those who only want white, and would probably go as far to harm anyone else. But that last group is such a tiny number it's not consequential.