Am I considered far right now?

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Years ago I would have described myself as liberal and on the left. Over recent years the things I seem to agree with seem to be considered to be on the right and even far right

Examples:

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

Whilst I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point.

I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that. My ideal scenario now would be a nice community, homeschooling and raising kids.

I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle (I don’t tell anyone this though)

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection

I quite like Trump

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life

Have I become far right?

Op, what do you think of Charlie Kirk's comments on the UK? When he came, he called it a 'third world hellhole' and said he saw a cafe full of 'Mohammedans and fully burka-wearing women, no native Brits.'

Don't know what area he was in, since according to stats only 1% of UK Muslim women wear the niqab (full-face veil, maybe he meant that?) and less than 1% wear burka.

Also interesting that he thought by default Muslims couldn't be native Brits!

I personally think we should ban the burqa & niqab but imo it's a moral panic to some extent since so few Muslim women wear them. To hear Farage & Kirk talk, you'd think most wore them! I live in an area w a large Asian community & have only once seen a lady in a niqab & never seen a burka.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&rct=j&url=www.bbc.com/news/uk-45112792%23:~:text%3DIf%2520the%2520number%2520of%2520Muslim%2520women%2520wearing,the%2520figure%2520also%2520appears%2520to%2520be%2520low.&ved=2ahUKEwjF5OK64daPAxXCYEEAHW9ALTEQ1fkOegQIBRAF&opi=89978449&cd&psig=AOvVaw0XgaGAze1uWRXWbTa40tlV&ust=1757888056922000

It's fascinating to me how UK people who idolised Kirk claim to be very patriotic but follow someone who calls our country a 'third world hellhole'. I love Britain, I'm proud to be British (I'm left-centrist fyi). I agree we have serious issues w immigration, also crime, poverty, NHS etc but I don't think men like Kirk are the answer. It's ridiculous to say our country is third world or dominated by niqab-wearing women.

Same principle in Texas, where young men feel the US is ungodly & say their evangelical churches are too feminine, so they go to Orthodox churches which push pro-Russia & Putin sentiment. Very ironic they are attending churches which kowtow to the greatness of Russian culture compared to the godless US, yet claim they are expressing patriotism!

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Right so no one actually banned any school from celebrating Christian festivals? The school decided not to do it for reasons that you "imagine".

OP, I wouldn't consider you to be a far right supporter. You actually sound like most people I know. Most people I know are generally Labour or Conservative supporters and pretty close to the middle in terms of views. You are leaning to the right in that you think trump is Ok, but most people don't disagree with everything Trump stands for, they just acknowledge that he is a mysogynistic, white supremacist with some questionable views, a clearly egocentric personality and xenophobic. But he has a point on some issues. Same with Farage- we all know he is a fascist at heart, but not many want the Uk swamped with illegal migrants and I don't think the Labour or Conservative party do either, but they have to be seen to be more diplomatic than the far right.

I’m so sorry, I meant to put Amish not Quaker, sorry !

You are probably not as good a person as you would like to think. Or rather you are nice to the right people.

The Telegraph is reporting that the NHS spends £130k per day on translators. Now, that in itself is quite a considerable burden. Assuming an employment cost of £40k per annum for a nurse that money could otherwise fund over 1000 nurses. But the larger point is that if £130k per day’s worth of translation services is needed there must be a pretty substantial use of NHS services by non-English speakers, a group that will overwhelmingly be made up of immigrants. So, I don’t think the argument can convincing be made that immigration is not creating a significant additional burden for the NHS.

I think you are kinda of slipping into being so yes... you must be careful not to put yourself in a bubble. It's easy to do now days.
I would try and balance any right wing media you consume with some type of counterpoint.
Follow some left wing news sites as well for example.
Just pick ones that don't annoy you too much.
I'm very left wing but I still read what's being said in the spectator or the telegraph. It's hard sometimes as I want to shout at it but I think it's important to really know why you have opinions you do rather than sleepwalking into them.
Another thing I do is I don't just rely on quotes being used or opinion pieces.
If someone has an opinion about something that I find interesting and support, or alternately they've made a comment about something making it look horrific.. then I will seek out the actual sources mentioned to check they are being represented fairly.
So I have sat through entire Charlie kirk speeches and Jordan peterson podcasts for example.
I really think people should do this because often both 'sides' (I'm aware there are more than two schools of political thought but you get my gist) will cherry pick things and misrepresent them to cause division because it sells copy basically.
For example there's plenty i have in common with the views of Jordan peterson which I never would have thought if I just read the anti Jordan peterson articles instead of actually listening to him. All in all I do not agree with many of his views, he's not someone I enjoy listening too, but I'm well aware he's not the lunatic he's often made put to be.

So basically op I think you should devote some time to some more left wing narrative because it seems like you've slept walked into a bubble.

@Brunettesmorefun Trump puts Trump first. Nothing else.

Yes. For whatever reason they ‘chose to’ it shows a decline in our traditional British values. Ie Christianity. Which is what you originally were ‘curious’ about. So it is declining.

You are definitely holding right wing opinions.

If that’s what’s happened I agree with you that’s bonkers. But it’s a decision taken by the schools, not forced by ‘immigration’.

Pepple practising Christianity is declining yes. We’re much more secular now, and for me that’s a good thing rather than bad.

You've grown up, OP

Immigration also makes up a huge number of the NHS workforce. In the team I'm in, one third are immigrants. Overall for doctors it's about over one third

He puts himself first and convinces idiots that he is a patriot who loves his country. Their racism and lack of education helps them believe this idea.

if the figure is accurate - which it might be - then yes it points to a lot of people who speak other languages using it. But those people will be legal immigrants. And in most cases, they will be working.

You’re conflating unrelated events. Use of translation indicates English isn’t first language. Use of translators doesn’t tell you immigration status. Not all those bookings are for illegal immigrants

So, some people accessing the NHS need interpreters. And some need wheelchairs, plaster casts or pacemakers.

I do wonder why some Brits seem obsessed with the US and why powerful Americans such as Elon Musk (and to a lesser extent, Trump) are trying to undermine our democratically-elected government.

I would much rather that we spent more time learning from our European neighbours. Every country in Western Europe and most of those in Eastern Europe have a lower per capita murder rate than the US (in many cases, vastly lower). Life expectancy is also higher in most European countries than in the US. The same is true of adult literacy rates. The average European also has a much lower carbon footprint than the average American (and the average Australian, as it happens).

Why are we trying to copy the US? Is it because they speak the same language as us and have the loudest voice in the world's media?

No I wanted to know who said schools weren't allowed to celebrate Easter and Christmas. And the answer is no one.

Language is important here. Because saying that a school isn't allowed to do something plays into a narrative that particular groups are actively dismantling aspects of British culture. Or that white, Christian British people are being persecuted in some way. Saying that a school has chosen to change its celebrations is actually closer to traditional British liberalism, centred on a lack of state intervention and freedom of choice.

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

You make it sound like it's so easy. Yes, nothing wrong with being proud of the flag, except when it's being used to promote hate, and other people who are British but have a different skin colour.

Whilst I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.

Most people would agree with you on this.

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly

How should it be controlled? That's the important thing. Most people would agree that uncontrolled immigration is a problem. But people coming here illegally is only 9% of total immigration, so what should we do about that? Your answer will indicate how far you have swerved to the right.

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point.

What is your point then?

I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that. My ideal scenario now would be a nice community, homeschooling and raising kids.

It's having the choice to either stay at home or go out to work that matters.

I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle (I don’t tell anyone this though)

Of course, it's proper not to discuss this with anyone. We each have our own bodies, beliefs and choices. What I may choose to do when I'm pregnant is nothing to do with you.

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored

In any argument, making points respectfully doesn't diminish the abhorrence of the points that are made.

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection

No one was forced to have the covid injection.

I quite like Trump

And do you like the things he has done too?

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life
Have I become far right?

Pretty much this was a fishing exercise in my view.

Define significant explain your rationale

What is it about Trump that you quite like?

I have a different opinion to you on a number of the things you have mentioned (especially abortion). The issue with "being proud of British values and the British flag" is that is used as a dog whistle for racist anti-immigrant views. The "flag wankers" in London today were not a bunch I'd like to be associated with and the ones I saw were not the best of British.

I'm just pointing out how much the nhs relies on immigration. People coming over here and caring for our sick and injured.

It's a counterpoint to those complaining about immigration

Is it an insult to be called far right?

Agree with you I’m replying to @RoseAndGeranium