Am I considered far right now?

[Septemberisaweirdmonth]

Years ago I would have described myself as liberal and on the left. Over recent years the things I seem to agree with seem to be considered to be on the right and even far right

Examples:

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

Whilst I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point.

I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that. My ideal scenario now would be a nice community, homeschooling and raising kids.

I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle (I don’t tell anyone this though)

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection

I quite like Trump

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life

Have I become far right?

I would say right for sure but not far right

You weren’t doing too badly until “I quite like Trump”

May, yes. But you said there ‘are’ indirect impacts. And you seem unable to point to any.

I think many forget that our pre brexit conservative position was closer to the american democratic party than our labour party was.

Do you think it's an age thing @Septemberisaweirdmonth , I think it is quite common for people to lean right of centre as they age even if they were rabidly left in their youth ?
I also don't think social media is the place to define your politics, as you will be well aware algorithm's throw similar stuff at you based on what you search, so you can quickly become inundated with very samey stuff without seeing any other viewpoint.
How do conversations go in your every day life ? how do you treat people you meet, do you automatically discount people you meet due to their skin colour/nationality ?
What about Trump particularly appeals to you ( sorry if you have already answered this, a bit late to the party ! ) how much of that is due to his portrayal in the media you watch/read ?

anti abortion is far right for the UK

You think you can’t be considered a bad person for having abhorrent opinions, you can only be bad if you commit a crime based on those opinions?

Of course. You don't want to answer the questions about what good he has done and if it outweighs the bad? If you make a statement, it's customary and polite to support it when asked. It's known as conversation, but you have no obligation to engage in conversation just because that's what the site is for.

To some, you would be far right as would I. One person’s far right is another person’s based.

Well no, I think there is a difference between free speech and hate speech. And common decency. For example, if someone said to me that they didn't agree with immigration and stated that they think it's bad for the country etc then fine, free speech. If someone called me a black b*h and told me to get to fuck back where I came from = hate speech.

Saying that you strongly disagree with Charlie Kirks opinions, fine, free speech. Cheering a young man's death is abhorrent and goes against basic common decency. I would argue that if that person worked with vulnerable people , was in health/social care/education then there is a chance that they could be a danger to those who they are caring for or in charge of. Ie a doctor or nurse cheering on someone's death because they have a different political viewpoint; would you trust that perosn to do right by you medically if they discovered that you held different political beliefs from them? I definitely wouldn't. So I support these people being reported to their employers.

Re the throwing a tomato thing - if someone were about to assault me by launching something at me (and in a split second, who knows what they're holding, tomato or otherwise) then if I had the chance to strike first to stop myself from being assaulted then yes, I would. The rest of the stuff I've not read so can't comment on.

I absolutely recognise that people fleeing danger deserve protection, and their situation should be treated with compassion. At the same time, the reality is that many of those crossing in small boats are adult men rather than families or vulnerable individuals. That’s why it’s important that proper processes are in place: to verify genuine need, provide support safely, and ensure resources like housing, healthcare, and schooling are allocated fairly. Following the system isn’t about denying help, it’s about making sure support reaches the right people and communities are not overwhelmed.

Apologies! New to MN!

She still hasn't really explained what she meant by that vague statement. It's unpleasant to hear but I'm not sure whatever feeling she has translates to something political. She might mean she finds him charismatic or she really likes his golf courses.

I’m just trying to tease out (because I don’t personally know) what you mean by the strain on resources from illegal immigration is specifically? I’m curious about what it is, how it’s measured, and the scale of it.

I think the problem I have is where do we draw the line, would we accept every single valid application. That could potentially mean thousands or even millions of people. It’s not sustainable.

Or maybe his big orange Wotsit of a face

Most undocumented immigrants are people who arrived legally and over stayed. Many are children born to parents without proper papers. I imagine the cost of rounding them up would be more than their cost to society but I don't have figures for this. As they are usually trying to avoid attention, they aren't going to be applying for benefits or getting council houses.

I don't share all of your views or your lifestyle but these are completely ordinary, possibly slightly right-of-centre views.

It has suited some to try to pretend the Overton window has massively shifted by clutching their crinolines when someone expressed these views and reacting as though you've just suggested the poor eat their own children.

In fact all that has been done - as you have found - is to make people with these ordinary views doubt that they remain mainstream, to such an extent that they are terrified to voice them. It's why people rarely hear them day-to-day (especially if you run mainly in naice, middle class circles) and are then shocked to find that a sizeable proportion of the electorate is now quietly voting in accordance with them.

Thank goodness for the secret ballot!

So you think it's hate speech for someone to call you a black b*tch and to go back where you came from but not hate speech for Charlie Kirk to say black women have lower brain capacities, call black women moronic, say black people only get good jobs due to diversity quotas and say that white America must be preserved and America must reduce its foreigner quota?

Because I'd argue he said the same thing you call hate speech just in slightly less coarse words.

Tbh, most of America liked Trump. Or he wouldn’t have been voted in as president. So it sounds like they’re seeing something you aren’t…

There are several clear ways. People without legal status often don’t register with a GP, but serious health issues still require treatment at A&E, which adds pressure and costs. Pregnant women or children may miss routine care or vaccinations, creating risks for both individuals and public health. Some end up in emergency housing, and uncounted populations make local planning for schools, healthcare, and housing less accurate. Even if individuals aren’t formally using services, these indirect effects can place significant strain on communities and public systems.

I’m not minimising anything as I said previously I didn’t agree with all of his opinions but I respected his behaviour during debates. You don’t have to respect someone’s opinions to respect their humanity. He was a much loved father, husband and respected by lots of people in the US and did not deserve to die because someone decided they didn’t like him, didn’t think he was a ‘good guy’ and couldn’t deal with their feelings like an adult.

Oh my, the condescension on this thread is hilarious.

OP expresses some fairly normal middle of the road views, says she has no interest in compelling others to believe the same and so far, she’s ’far right’, not very intelligent, not well read, must only read the daily mail and completely uneducated. Just need someone to pull the ‘white supremacist/nazi’ card and we’ll have a full house. 😂

No, you’re just a tiny Tory

I don't think people saying his views were horrific are saying he deserved to die. That's certainly not my opinion.

Though I do find it interesting how many people who yesterday were saying 'nobody deserves to be shot' are now clamouring for a 22 year old to die by firing squad.