Am I considered far right now?

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Years ago I would have described myself as liberal and on the left. Over recent years the things I seem to agree with seem to be considered to be on the right and even far right

Examples:

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

Whilst I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point.

I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that. My ideal scenario now would be a nice community, homeschooling and raising kids.

I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle (I don’t tell anyone this though)

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection

I quite like Trump

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life

Have I become far right?

I really do have quite a few things to say about your comment.

"No, you just sound like the typical, angry working class."

Just exactly how does the OP sound "angry" and/or "working class"? Frankly, I'm having a lot of trouble following that.

"...it's a much less supportive place these days"

Supportive of what or who? Serious question btw.

I find that there is a lot of support here and also a lot of debate.

"What happened to the reasoned, progressive MN?"

There is much of MN that is very reasoned indeed, just have a read of any of the threads on the Feminism: Sex and Gender Board.

However, there are certainly posters on MN that would consider those that post regularly there are not "progressive" (because they believe that men are men and women are women and eg men should not compete in the women's category of sports).

In any event, what does "progressive" actually mean to you? Does it necessarily imply generally left wing beliefs?

Do you believe that people who have beliefs that do not align with yours can have "progressive" beliefs? Or do you believe that only people who agree with your personal beliefs are "progressive"?

"We can have a conversation about why the current shape of immigration is concerning without throwing the baby out with the bathwater."

The trouble is that we generally can't. Those that oppose increased controls on immigration generally tend to default to name calling all those with differing views as being "Nazis", or adjacent.

Of course it's not original.

But it's true and deserves repetition. Hammer the point home that he was a divisive hateful individual.

People don’t feel listened too, were told there is no money for this, lack of funding for that, and then they hear that people who have never contributed to the UK are being housed and fed by the tax payer. I can see why people are drawn to the right.

Depends who you believe, Groypers on 4chan or the evidence supplied by the FBI? Anyone calling Charlie Kirk a fascist was not a Nick Fuentes supporter.

If you corrected your own conjecture, it might give you a whole lease of life. Open your mind and debate or sit in your armchair and criticise.

She said

"I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle"

So she is anti abortion (but like many who are far right she knows this is viewed as an extreme view so she is qualifying it in some way - which i cant see that she has explained)

OP - if you don’t think your views are far right, what would you say are far right views?

I am though.

This. And we need to be more up front about who is funding these utter grifters who have monetised outrage.

or the evidence supplied by the FBI?

what evidence supplied by the FBI? I haven't seen anything linking the murderer to anyone. Is this a new development?

The FBI didn't catch their man. he handed himself in.

Maybe, maybe not but this thread has certainly given the "tolerant progressives" an opportunity to show their true colours.

What makes you think you need anyone’s permission to hold those opinions? Have the left really bullied and intimidated people so much that they need to ask if it’s ok to think immigration should be controlled? OF COURSE it doesn’t make you right-wing to want to tighten the borders and preserve your identity. It’s a perfectly sensible position to hold.

Right-wing is a meaningless phrase. The left now think people who want rapists deported or who fly an England flag IN ENGLAND are right-wing. Don’t let the left claim moral superiority. In my experience, they are some of the nastiest, cruellest, most hate-filled people you’ll ever meet. As for intolerance, what could be more intolerant than using mass immigration to destroy people’s sense of identity and impose a new one them?!!

Did you know him personally to come to such a conclusion or did you just judge by watching bits of him online? I wonder how many people think the same of you based on your comments on different threads online.

Ok let’s look at this the indirect impacts
emergency NHS care yes free to all including No recourse public funds. However a lot of ED presentations are a small cohort of individuals who
repeatedly present multiple occasions (not necessarily illegal immigrants)
maternal health again free to all No recourse public funds.
vaccinations Free for all including No recourse public funds.NRPF
GP appointments, Free for all including No recourse public funds Not aware of research that indicates illegal immigrants disproportionately use GP service
temporary housing,Illegal immigrants can’t access local authority temporary housing. NRPF cannot get local authority funded Temporary accommodation ,they can’t claim housing benefits . They are accommodated under home office central Govt funded Section 98 support is meant to be temporary, emergency support for people seeking asylum who have applied and are waiting for section 95 support. This is the initial accommodation
Section 98 support is full-board ( meal include) at a Home Office hostel/hotel

local planning - Not aware any research that indicates illegal immigrants overwhelm planning . What percentage of planning duties are related to illegal Immigrants?

Well you’re in good company here OP. MN is full of Trump and Charlie Kirk apologists, transphobes and just generally spewing vitriol towards marginalised groups. Toxic cesspit.

And yet you're the one who sounds angry and resorts to name calling rather than attempt to engage in civilised discussion.

What makes you think you need anyone’s permission to hold those opinions?

Well, quite. Trump is the president of the USA, Reform is gaining alarming ground, people are vocally upset about Charlie Kirk (never mind the school shooting on the same day) and there are mainstream marches in London. If you manage to not be aware of any of that, then you just need to look outside your front door to see the multiple flags being festooned everywhere. I don’t understand where this faux sadness about not being allowed right wing opinions is coming from? Maybe we could ask the Daily Mail to host some ‘sad face’ interviews.

What good has he done, and even if he has, does it outweigh the bad? Everyone (perhaps even Trump) is probably capable of the occasional act of decency. What I look for is the whole picture. Did the person do more good than bad? Were the bad things the person did so terrible that no good they could do would ever absolve them?
I do think kidnapping people and sending them off to be tortured in concentration camps in El Salvador makes Trump irredeemable no matter what he does. He could cure cancer and it still wouldn't erase that vile act of psychopathic cruelty. Anyone who likes him, knowing he has done such things, needs to see a psychiatrist IMO.

Not entirely, but do you believe the people flying flags are genuinely patriotic or just thugs looking for a tear up?

There’s a pretty strong overlap in the social science research between traditional views like this and right wing politics.

I don't think it is. I think MN is full of people who have fairly centrist views who are generally fairly feminist in their stance and so would think that females need female spaces/sport etc but also think Donald Trump is dangerous and far right and looking to establish a totalitarian regime.

There are always going to be some very left wing and very right wing users but most seem to be fairly centrist.

I came to the conclusion by reading about him, seeing what he said, wrote and judging him on that

Are you suggesting that you can only judge someone you know personally? That's quite the take

Ask the 77 million Americans who voted him in for a second term.

I feel the same OP. I’ve always been very left wing but I am now considered right wing by many despite me believing in lots of socialist economic policies such as nationalisation.
I heard someone from the Labour Party speaking recently who mirrored my views and he describes himself as blue labour.
If my Labour MP were blue labour I’d vote for her but she is just some ostensibly liberal do gooder who believes in censorship and eroding women’s rights . She has little grasp of reality as far as I can see and will never get my vote.