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MyHeartyCoralSnail · 13/09/2025 19:56

Boohoo76 · 13/09/2025 19:46

There isn’t much difference between far right and far left. In fact, it’s circular. If you go far enough right you end up left and vice versa. Neither “side” want to admit it.

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This is true. The problem here is extremism. Far left politics though has become so mainstream people really aren’t recognising it as extremism. As what people believe to be centre has moved further left elements of the right have been ostracised - cancelled and have either moved further right or are perceived to have done so as the centre has moved further left Extremism breeds extremism. The question people should really be asking is who is benefiting from this growing division who has triggered the age old tactic of divide and conquer and why? We are being distracted from the real issue.

Loftyheightssss · 13/09/2025 19:58

randomchap · 13/09/2025 19:42

His tone may have been respectful but his message was hateful, misogynistic, racist, and divisive.

He was anything but a good man.

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That's some original post you've got going on there. Have you got a bic pen for all them tick boxes?

ChessorBuckaroo · 13/09/2025 19:59

ChessorBuckaroo · 13/09/2025 18:43

Kirk was (emphasis on past tense as he is no longer alive) a white christian nationalist who called for the censorship of history in schools, advocating indoctrinating kids with a "patriotic history".

america is the most racist country in human history, and he wanted to whitewash its past (something it has historically done, but that white dominated narrative is changing). He was brought on board by Trump to try and counter white guilt in america, but history is history, and no censoring can change that.

Kirk, who is no longer alive, called deaths by guns as "worth it". Knowing his death was worth it should mean his white nationalist followers aren't upset by that bullet entering his throat and killing him (unless he only meant deaths from school shootings were worth it?)

The racist, heartless, unempathetic (he didn't believe in empathy, so again his white nationalist followers should have no empathy for him) scrote was wrong on virtually everything, and he is no longer alive.

He was a disgusting human being, and while I don't advocate deaths from gun violence unlike him (including children in Gaza, schoo, shootings etc.) the world is a better place today for him not being in it.

This is an example of what the white nationalist shitstain who is dead (and Trump) was trying to censor in history classes in order to teach "patriotic history" in their attempt to counter white guilt in the white settler entity america.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/facebook-declaration-of-independence-hate-speech

"The declaration that includes a reference to “merciless Indian savages” was a violation of their community standards. The declaration’s passage has often been cited as an encapsulation of the dehumanising attitude toward indigenous Americans that the US was founded on".

Every "founding" document of the white settler enity now comes with a warning.

The most racist entity in human history, for america to stop being racist it would need to stop being america. It was built on racism, racism is in its DNA, it would not exist without it. No amount of censoring this, which Kirk tried to do when he was alive, will work, as history cannot be altered. The racist words and the actions, dehumanising the Native PEOPLE, the massacres and ethnic cleansing happened. And then there are the Africans (who are "inferior to whites in body and mind" according to the racist slave owning tyrant thomas jefferson), of which there are 45 million descendants of those slaves who live there today.

It's impossible to censor history. And the dead chap failed as will all of his 'woe is me' white nationalist followers. The truth will always triumph.

Facebook labels declaration of independence as 'hate speech'

The website told a local newspaper they violated its community guidelines by posting the original document

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/facebook-declaration-of-independence-hate-speech

Pog166 · 13/09/2025 20:00

Yes, you are 'far right'. So am I. There are only two permissible shades of political opinion these days - dyed-in-the-wool Marxist (aka 'moderate', or, in the US, 'liberal') and everyone else ('far right').

Lolapusht · 13/09/2025 20:00

re the accusation he said black women were lacking cognitive ability, if it’s from an episode on his chat show he didn’t say that. The quote has been subtly changed. He ran through a list of prominent black wine and said “you” ie those in the list in the context of a monologue (?) about affirmative action that ended with the “…taking a place from a white woman [sic]” comment.

Im not a Kirk fan and haven’t really listened to much of him so thought I’d check that out as it seemed pretty extreme and from the little I’ve seen, somewhat incongruent. Interestingly, I found the clip in a “10 Horrible Things CK Has Said” online piece. They even showed a X post misquoting the video they linked to.

If there’s another source showing him say black women are stops I’ll happily stand corrected.

Wrongly accrediting controversial things to people doesn’t really help your position but as I say, he may have said something else at some point I haven’t seen.

Loftyheightssss · 13/09/2025 20:00

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 13/09/2025 19:56

This is true. The problem here is extremism. Far left politics though has become so mainstream people really aren’t recognising it as extremism. As what people believe to be centre has moved further left elements of the right have been ostracised - cancelled and have either moved further right or are perceived to have done so as the centre has moved further left Extremism breeds extremism. The question people should really be asking is who is benefiting from this growing division who has triggered the age old tactic of divide and conquer and why? We are being distracted from the real issue.

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Might I introduce you to George Soros. I wonder when he goes if it will be acceptable to say the same stuff that has been said about Kirk's departure.

abracadabra1980 · 13/09/2025 20:01

KhakiTiger · 13/09/2025 16:29

You’re not far right, OP. The but the far left will tell you that you are. Which is always a good way of identifying far left people so you can stay away from them and keep yourself safe.

Agree 100% with this.

GeorgeMichaelsMicStand · 13/09/2025 20:04

Yes

Pudmyboy · 13/09/2025 20:04

Right and left have lost all meaning. There are corrupt people, racists, homophobes and bullies on right and left.
I no longer assume the liberal to be kinder or more ethical than the conservative. There are dishonest cunts equally distributed across the spectrum
@PrizedPickledPopcorn you have summed nicely up how I feel these days!

Maia77 · 13/09/2025 20:04

I'd say you're conservative/centre right.

HonoraCausa · 13/09/2025 20:05

No. You are a reasonable person.

pusspuss9 · 13/09/2025 20:07

Peculiah · 13/09/2025 16:34

My biggest issue with what you’ve said is that you don’t seem to feel able to express these views irl.

We need to talk, debate and discuss. It’s good to listen to a wide range of views, but just listening isn’t enough. Some speakers are compelling, but when you try and repeat or summarise what you’ve heard, you have to really think, evaluate and process. And if you are being challenged by someone who hasn’t heard the slick version, it’s even more thought provoking.

It’s ok to have thoughts, doubts, questions, concerns, and it’s human to have prejudices, and knee jerk emotional reactions. We don’t all see the world the same way or have the same experiences, but it’s so, so important that we just talk with each other. But yeah, I know why it feels risky to do so. That’s even more reason to try.

Political/social/ideological views need daylight.

Spot on. Perfectly articulated.

Mulledjuice · 13/09/2025 20:07

GoldMerchant · 13/09/2025 16:27

You've said nothing about how your feel about economics (eg small state, extensive welfare state, state ownership of industries etc) which is interesting in itself. That was the biggest left-right split classically.

I would say you are social conservative and perhaps "classically liberal" insofar as you place a high value on individual freedom of choice. If these have always been your views, I'm not sure you've ever been aligned with the mainstream left.

It's not "classically liberal" to want to restrict reproductive rights. Or indeed to practice economic isolation (including significantly restricting immigration).

Nowherefast4 · 13/09/2025 20:08

I'm probably quite far left, if it helps, although not extreme.

I'm very sorry about Charlie Kirk. I think there's no cause for violence.

Similarly, I think that his views were abhorrent. I disagreed with everything he said.

I also think he was misogynistic and regressive, I disliked his treatment of women, trans people, blacks, Muslims etc al.

I'm pro-Palestine.

This is a controversial one but... I have no gripe with trans people. I appreciate in very niche areas such as competitive sports there may be an issue but day-to-day I support them.

I welcome asylum seekers to the UK.

I voted Labour. I hate what what they've done, attacking the benefit system. I think there should be higher taxes on billionaires etc. I would not vote them in their current guise again.

I do not think most people on benefits are taking the mickey.

I like a multicultural UK.

I don't mind the flags per se but they've become associated with Tommy Robinson and the EDL.

I am pro-choice

I'm pro women (and men) working or not working. For me it's about choice.

I don't really feel a sense of Britishness (e.g. the White Cliffs of Dover) and I'm OK with that. But if I did, in today's society, I would not romanticise it. I would include the Windrush Generation and the many cultures that make up British society.

I think the idea that there's "ghettos" is ridiculous. I'm not disputing there's knife crime, but I'm not buying into this racist nonsense like "Khan's London". I think it is fear-mongering.

UserUserUser12 · 13/09/2025 20:09

Pog166 · 13/09/2025 20:00

Yes, you are 'far right'. So am I. There are only two permissible shades of political opinion these days - dyed-in-the-wool Marxist (aka 'moderate', or, in the US, 'liberal') and everyone else ('far right').

Permissible? There are plenty of you, Trump is president of the US and Reform is gaining alarming ground. You’re marching and brawling in the streets of London today. Plastering flags over every roundabout. What’s all this ‘poor us, bravely speaking the truth, martyrdom’ about 🙄

lifeonmars100 · 13/09/2025 20:09

Thisisnotmyid · 13/09/2025 19:40

I feel exactly the same OP. I didn’t agree with everything Charlie Kirk said but I found him very respectful when he debated people. He was never rude or raised his voice and allowed people to tell their stories openly.

You’re absolutely entitled to your opinion and those who say ‘you sound awful’ etc are the ones who need give their head a shake.

Being calm and respectful was part his technique to make his rhetoric sound reasonable. If he had ranted and raved like a certain German despot in the the 30s and 40s then it is likely he would not have attained the prominence he did. A lot of things have the potential to initially sound plausible and convincing when expressed in a measured tone of voice.

Pog166 · 13/09/2025 20:10

ChessorBuckaroo · 13/09/2025 19:59

This is an example of what the white nationalist shitstain who is dead (and Trump) was trying to censor in history classes in order to teach "patriotic history" in their attempt to counter white guilt in the white settler entity america.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/facebook-declaration-of-independence-hate-speech

"The declaration that includes a reference to “merciless Indian savages” was a violation of their community standards. The declaration’s passage has often been cited as an encapsulation of the dehumanising attitude toward indigenous Americans that the US was founded on".

Every "founding" document of the white settler enity now comes with a warning.

The most racist entity in human history, for america to stop being racist it would need to stop being america. It was built on racism, racism is in its DNA, it would not exist without it. No amount of censoring this, which Kirk tried to do when he was alive, will work, as history cannot be altered. The racist words and the actions, dehumanising the Native PEOPLE, the massacres and ethnic cleansing happened. And then there are the Africans (who are "inferior to whites in body and mind" according to the racist slave owning tyrant thomas jefferson), of which there are 45 million descendants of those slaves who live there today.

It's impossible to censor history. And the dead chap failed as will all of his 'woe is me' white nationalist followers. The truth will always triumph.

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You haven't spent much time in South Africa, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Russia, Indonesia, China, UAE, Somalia, Sudan, Nigeria, France, Italy, Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland, Germany, Morocco, Turkey, Tunisia, Egypt, Philippines, Argentina..., have you?

Connectingconcrable · 13/09/2025 20:11

Reading through it just got worse with your trump card being a Trump supporter. What the fuck has happened to you?

Cherrytree86 · 13/09/2025 20:12

Are you saying you’re “pro life” then OP, as in your against girls/women having abortions? If so then that is a terrible and misogynistic viewpoint to have. The other really bad thing is you liking Trump.

CurlewKate · 13/09/2025 20:13

Seymour5 · 13/09/2025 19:27

My kind of British culture includes taking responsibility for yourself and your family as far as is possible. Having a work ethic. Being a decent neighbour. Being honest. Ensuring those who are genuinely vulnerable are treated fairly, and cared for where necessary. Abortion is a right but shouldn't be used as birth control. I will happily call a bloke Alice if that's his preference but I don't want him in women's spaces or in women's sport.

My closest friend is black, and we hold very similar views on immigration. That's due to numbers mainly, and the pressures on services.

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Do you think that is exclusively British behaviour? I don’t! It sounds like the way most decent people all over the world behave! And why is your friend being black relevant?

Rosedreaming · 13/09/2025 20:15

Thisisnotmyid · 13/09/2025 19:40

I feel exactly the same OP. I didn’t agree with everything Charlie Kirk said but I found him very respectful when he debated people. He was never rude or raised his voice and allowed people to tell their stories openly.

You’re absolutely entitled to your opinion and those who say ‘you sound awful’ etc are the ones who need give their head a shake.

Respectful and never rude when he told black women they had less brainpower than white women. So respectful.

TerrysCIockworkOrange · 13/09/2025 20:15

I’d love to know who you actually consider to be “the left” @Septemberisaweirdmonth

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CurlewKate · 13/09/2025 20:16

Rosedreaming · 13/09/2025 20:15

Respectful and never rude when he told black women they had less brainpower than white women. So respectful.

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Or when he told Taylor Swift to forget about feminism….

user760 · 13/09/2025 20:16

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc. I suspect must feel this way but it’s almost obtusely ignoring the
Fact that the flags have become used a symbol for facial racists.

I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.. I suspect most MNers are with you on this

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly - I suspect most agree that things are out of control

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point.. This is a generational thing

I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that. I doubt many disagree as long as everyone is happy

My ideal scenario now would be a nice community, homeschooling and raising kids with the exception of homeschooling hell I suspect many would think this lovely if it’s financially possible
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I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle (I don’t tell anyone this though) This is a far right view and anti feminist.

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored. Charlie Kirk was a very far right conservative with some fairly extreme views. Piers Morgan is fairly mainstream conservatve

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection - fairly extreme view

I quite like Trump He’s a facist puppet. He is leading the world into chaos.

I would consider myself a right leaning centrist. I think you’re drifting fairly far to the right.