Am I considered far right now?

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Years ago I would have described myself as liberal and on the left. Over recent years the things I seem to agree with seem to be considered to be on the right and even far right

Examples:

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

Whilst I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point.

I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that. My ideal scenario now would be a nice community, homeschooling and raising kids.

I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle (I don’t tell anyone this though)

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection

I quite like Trump

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life

Have I become far right?

But this happened with the deaths of people who were on the left too. But it was the other side. There are shit heads everywhere.

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life - well, yes, you should be and I'm glad you feel you can't. You just sound silly and self aggrandising.

Describing the Nazis as left wing is laughable. They are the definition of far right

Kirk was (emphasis on past tense as he is no longer alive) a white christian nationalist who called for the censorship of history in schools, advocating indoctrinating kids with a "patriotic history".

america is the most racist country in human history, and he wanted to whitewash its past (something it has historically done, but that white dominated narrative is changing). He was brought on board by Trump to try and counter white guilt in america, but history is history, and no censoring can change that.

Kirk, who is no longer alive, called deaths by guns as "worth it". Knowing his death was worth it should mean his white nationalist followers aren't upset by that bullet entering his throat and killing him (unless he only meant deaths from school shootings were worth it?)

The racist, heartless, unempathetic (he didn't believe in empathy, so again his white nationalist followers should have no empathy for him) scrote was wrong on virtually everything, and he is no longer alive.

He was a disgusting human being, and while I don't advocate deaths from gun violence unlike him (including children in Gaza, schoo, shootings etc.) the world is a better place today for him not being in it.

You are basic BECAUSE political opinion is a spectrum and you have bought in to "What the left is now". That picture you are describing of "what the left is" is a fat right narrative to convert people. You can be left wing and liberal, without buying in to either sides bull

Yeah probably.

Being woke comes from a term escaped African American slaves first used - 'staying woke' means being aware of the people who could have turned them in to their master. Later it meant being aware of racists who may have lynched them.

Woke became a term used to mean being aware of threats from bigotry and lack of social equality in more general terms.

I find it odd that the right have taken a term used by slaves and abused minorities and turned it into a stick to beat them with. I guess things don't change that much, huh.

Regarding Charlie Kirk, he said "Reject feminism - submit to your husband, you're not in charge."

"If I see a black pilot I'm going to be like, boy I hope he's qualified."

He said that black women in politics "do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously - you had to steal a white persons slot".

He described scripture referring to the stoning of gay people as 'gods perfect law'.

He denounced the civil rights act.

He said if his 10 year old daughter became pregnant through rape he would make sure she had the child.

So if I liked him I would be less worried about being right wing and more worried about being a massive racist misogynistic bigot tbh.

You didn’t even touch on or mention his more hateful white supremacist values such as:

Do you agree that black people were better off as slaves and under Jim Crow Laws?

Do you agree that black women have less cognitive function than white people?

Do you agree in public executions and that they should be televised with children made to watch?

Do you agree and prefer less gun control and that mass shootings are an acceptable price to pay for that liberty?

Forget the trans, abortion and traditional babble. Lots of people can agree that a man could never be a woman and that they would rather be a SAHM. That’s all a big red herring and used as a way to divide people. The really dangerous rhetoric is what I’ve outlined above. If you agree with any of that, then yea, you’re far right and I’d consider you a dangerous horrible person that I’d want nothing to do with.

I have responded. Illegal immigration via boat crossings which is what I suspect you are worried about is relatively low. But from a human perspective, I imagine if you're prepared to cross the Channel in a dingy, having paid enormous sums of money, left your home and risked your children's lives, you are not doing it because you are desperate to live in the UK and have the time or money to apply via official channels. You are most likely a refugee from a wartorn country, running for your life. In my eyes, they are welcome. If bombs started falling across the UK and I was put in a similar position, I would do the same: go to France or wherever else. You do what you have to do. I don't know much about people overstaying Visas etc.

OP, you sound normal.

Wouldn’t put Murray, Farage & Robinson in the same category.

What does “ultra basic” mean??!

Maybe you’re ‘off a certain age’. I’ve certainly found myself becoming more right off centre than previously, mainly due to the absolute mental twaddle that codes out of the Left.

To me you just sound like a middle of the road conservative

The mask is off. Middle class liberals despise the working class. I'm not sure why they are surprised when the antipathy is reciprocated.

How do you know what he's about and what beliefs are unless you watch him though? How do you learn about anything other than your own echo chamber if you don't expose yourself to other dialogues, debates and ways of thinking?

OP with the exception of the Trump thing, which interestingly you've still not explained, all the things you've listed could fit in under traditional right conservative values. What makes the difference between right and far right values is how you define them and what you think is an acceptable way to achieve them.

Flags: No the England flag isn't inherently racist and everyone should be able to fly it to show support for their country. Are you oblivious though to the far right orchestrated campaign on social media recently to fly English flags and deface roundabouts as an anti immigrant statement? Flying a flag to show pride in your country is fine, the attempts by the far right to try and use it as an intimidation tactic is not.

Abortion: It's fine for you to personally be against abortions for yourself, but how far would you think it's ok for people to go to try and prevent other women choosing one? Would you be happy for people to try and make them illegal, do you think it's ok for protesters to try and intimidate women outside abortion clinics?

Immigration and British culture: It's possible to be concerned that immigration levels are too high and worry about integration into British culture without being far right. Do you accept that immigrants contribute to Britain too and have a right to observe their religion and celebrate their culture? Do you think it's ok for disinformation to be shared on social media labelling asylum seekers as dangerous sexual predators living in luxury hotels ? Do you think it's ok for groups of drunken men to stand outside asylum hotels yelling abuse or how about riots?

Family values: Of course it's fine to be a SAHP, many people are across the political spectrum. It veers into far right values if you're expecting women to be subservient to their husbands. The flip side of this is whether you equally support women's right to work and the equality protections that are currently in place in the workforce. If you think that women should be financially dependent on men then that is heading into far right territory.

This is all important because you will get people trying the "if you say you're worried about (immigration/ women's safety/ etc) you'll get called right wing", when they are in fact trying to defend truly unpleasant views/ actions.

I appreciate how you're engaging, but illegal immigrants don't get temporary housing. Asylum seekers do, but they aren't illegal immigrants. It's very difficult for undocumented immigrants to access any housing at all considering the checks landlords have to do. Most will be living with family members/friends or in the houses they had while they were here legally (most undocumented immigrants are people who've failed to regularize their status after arriving legally rather than new arrivals on small boats).

Bloody hell, this is the first thread I clicked on after a long MN break, and already I'm reminded of why I left, you people are insanely arrogant.

OP you've had to put up with people calling you a liar, saying you're not a teacher you're 'just' a SAHM and unqualified to have even your own personal opinions, you've had people call you an idiot, people disbelieve that you were ever on the left, as if every left leaning person is unable to grow and take on board new ideas.

This place genuinely repulsive, and tbh I think it's reflective of how the left wing have become. OP, you refused to become more and more extreme in your ideological beliefs so the left have left you behind.

So no, you're not left wing anymore, but that's not any fault of yours and just try to remember that despite the constant conditioning, right wing doesn't equal bad, it doesn't equal extreme, intolerant or "far" right. There's nothing wrong with being moderate in your views, even if they sway to the dreaded right. It's actually a sign of maturity, genuinely, an older person with very left leaning ideological beliefs who hasn't learned to tolerate conservative opinions, is an older person who never opened their mind to new viewpoints and was unable to grow up past their teenage "social justice" faze. They are stuck in the past, and it's embarrassing for the greys desperately trying to be one of the kids.

Which parts of Reform’s position on fiscal responsibility do you support? I think they’ve been very quiet about anything other than drum banging on immigration and law and order. Both of which are very easy to pontificate on but much more slippery to actually solve.

I don’t agree with any of your red flags at all. However, the definition of what is far right is very different for a lot of people. It shouldn’t be like this, but it is. Some believe that not allowing trans women in female sport makes you a nazi. This stuff makes people lose jobs if they aren’t careful.

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Yes - and I don’t think that a number of your views would have been considered left or liberal even a few years ago.

I understand that legal channels are limited, and that people fleeing danger may feel they have no choice. My concern isn’t about punishing anyone in that situation, it’s about ensuring that people are properly vetted for safety, and that communities aren’t left struggling to manage unpredictable arrivals.

Even if illegal immigrants don’t access all services directly, there are indirect impacts on emergency NHS care, maternal health, vaccinations, GP appointments, temporary housing, and local planning.

Also just to clarify that it wasn’t actually Nigel Farage who drew me to Reform, it was Zia Yusuf whose focus on practical solutions, fairness, and holding government to account convinced me. My support is about principles, not personalities, and about backing a party willing to tackle issues like illegal immigration, upholding the law, and accountability seriously.

@FOJN "The mask is off. Middle class liberals despise the working class. I'm not sure why they are surprised when the antipathy is reciprocated."

It is such a relief to see some normal responses. Thank you!

The classism in this country sickens me, and it always comes from the faux "social justice" people.

If they’re so scared to say what they feel, why do we hear/read about what they feel all the time? They’re hardly silent!

Also I consider myself to be centre right and find Trump to be abhorrent. There are lots of reasons why beyond the usual left-right wing rhetoric. I wouldn’t go as far as wanting him killed though.