Am I considered far right now?

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Years ago I would have described myself as liberal and on the left. Over recent years the things I seem to agree with seem to be considered to be on the right and even far right

Examples:

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

Whilst I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point.

I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that. My ideal scenario now would be a nice community, homeschooling and raising kids.

I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle (I don’t tell anyone this though)

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection

I quite like Trump

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life

Have I become far right?

Yes of course but many people do not speak up. God forbid we talk about controlling immigration then get called racist! Is not the same thing!

No, you are not far right. Simply because you don’t want to force anyone to agree with you. You don’t sound like a fascist.

I also wonder if you listed all of your views on everything, whether some of them would be left leaning? Putting you overall in the centre.

I share some of your views (not all) I won’t list which ones because I don’t have my hard hat with me and it’s not relevant anyway. But in other areas, I am more liberal.

I long for people to move a bit more back to the centre

Well maybe but come on, a Nazi apologist? 😳

Do you think he’s had success with the ‘whole Russia/Ukraine thing’ and ‘the whole Israel/Palestine thing?’

Was it the AI video he created of him and Elon dancing with women in bikinis at the their Gaza beach resort that did it?

Boat crossings were only <4% total immigration last year. I agree it shouldn't exist but your views seem to imply boat immigration is causing a range of issues. Simply not true
Most immigration is legal and therefore the government should provide public services to support it. Or change general legal immigration rules

Yes. I would consider you fairly far right

No, not at all, just a clear minded individual who lives in the real world.

Instead of getting angry and attacking me, it would be more productive to read my responses throughout this thread, where I’ve clearly explained my reasoning.

Responses like this just prove the point the poster was making. To the left if you're not willing to share all your money with them, you must be a Nazi.

“Infesting”? When Brits live abroad, particularly those who retire to Spain, they largely financially support themselves as other countries’ taxpayers don’t like sponging immigrants.

In the UK, in excess of 15% of immigrants are on benefits, with large concentrations in expensive places like London. Most anti-immigration Brits will caveat that they are happy for immigrants to come when they can support themselves, as we have plenty enough domestic benefits claimants, thank you very much. Many objections seem to centre around the financial drain of gimmigrants who are unable or unwilling, or both, to financially support themselves, and are not willing to adapt to UK customs or traditions, but rather want to change the UK to be more like the place they left, which apparently they either didn’t like or didn’t feel safe in.

We don’t have the services or infrastructure to support continued mass immigration, unless those immigrants are contributing financially. Bringing in hundreds of thousands of low-paid workers who then rely on the state for financial support is bonkers.

I’m not seeing any issues with people feeling they can speak up. It’s everywhere. The flags are everywhere. It’s all over social media, filling the streets of London, running the US government.

Sounds like you already were.

I would describe you as on the right, but not far right, no.

see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

Spain has a history of facism so I wouldn’t use them as an example. I think the issue is we haven’t historically been big on flag waving and flag displaying here, so now flags are used for particular causes (lots of pride flags during pride month for example), and the people choosing to display and graffiti the St George’s flag are doing so in the context of being confrontational and anti-immigration.

I would have no problem with the St George’s flag being flown/face painted/worn at a rugby game, in fact I would see that as a positive thing. But in the context of this current discourse, it’s being used with Xenophonic overtones and its disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

I’m on the left and I’d say you’re conservative, not far right.

Contrary to what a lot of those on the right think about us, many of us on the left believe that immigration should be controlled. Very few want ‘open borders’ and we recognise that holding those beliefs doesn’t make a person racist.

What does make a person racist is if they use dehumanising language about asylum seekers, calling them “illegals” (they’re not) or if believe we’re being invaded and they’re all going to force us to convert to Islam, or claim they’re all rapists. They are far-right racist views.

Most of us recognise that there are no safe routes to the UK for asylum seekers, and there should be. They don’t live in luxury, in fact they live in horrible conditions while they’re waiting to be processed. They don’t get benefits and they’re not allowed to work. They should be processed more quickly so they’re not waiting years for a decision and if they’re not found to be a genuine asylum seeker they should be deported. If they are genuine they should be allowed to remain.

And if people have an issue with the process they should contact their MP, not attack asylum seekers.

I haven't seen this video it sounds hilarious have you got the link?

Boat crossings do cause issues though. If you have over 1000 people crossing in one day they have to be accommodated somewhere. We have a huge housing problem in this country. Where are all these people supposed to go?

I would say the people crossing into far right are the ones who post laughing emojis about women and children drowning on boat crossings in the channel.

Yes.

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country

Genuine question- what do you see as innate British culture? And who or what do you consider prevents you from participating in that culture?

You give no indication of being liberal or leaning left at all.
So yes, you're right wing. I wouldn't say far right - you don't appear to be extremist in your views.

You appear to have, with age - as many do, matured into more conservate values. I believe this is a mixture of lived experience, frustration with circular issues and exasperation with the ever increasing demands of the left to alter the status quo.

Sure, in theory, there's nothing wrong with wanting to protect British values, flying a flag, protecting the idea of the nuclear family and the traditional set ups and wanting immigration to be handled better etc but it's the way these things are currently being wielded currently.

It's a slippery slope in either direction and the best thing you can do to avoid being embarrassed by your political stance to to keep an ongoing education. Take in information from both sides equally, look at things fairly. Stay balanced.

Litrally, Trump makes me want to vomit. Everything about him is wrong. How can you actually like someone so bad. It just shows me how fucked the world is. Far left and Far right is only going to cause war. Its already breaking out everywhere. Hate produces hate and that is what is happening everywhere. And hate creates war. Get of listening to bullshit coming out of rich self riotous people that will say stuff to make gullible people believe them, and sadly it's working.

Re abortion, some people are forsed into it, some people have been raped. Everyone's situation is different. Hear the situation before you judge that person.

Re going halves. I always pay my way on a first date. I like to show I have independence, and not a spunge. If they offer, I see it as a lovely gesture, I do not expect. That just sounds spoilt. Why should he pay for your meal? We spent years to become equal but you want that for yourself and for him to pay??? Hmm.. Slight double standards. Although, I do agree, someone that is stingy all the time is off-putting.

The fact that I have friends of colour living in fear because of the Far right is very sad. I used to be proud of the UK. it's now just an embarrassment. Also, I would have never put flags up everywhere and scare, Harass and asult people. Seriously is this behaviour to be proud of. I think not. Far right or far left there both bad.

It's interesting that a general belief is the people move further to the right as they age, but I have moved the opposite way. I have always been a socialist, but I would die on left wing hills with even more passion these days. I find myself getting angrier and angrier at the move to the right of some of the western world. (Leaving trans issues out of it all, of course, which are a complete red herring, and should not be labelled right or left).

I also would really really like the answer to the question about exactly what it is that you "quite like" about the greedy narcissist sex offender Trump.

As you can’t be bothered to read the tread I’ll say it again….
I agree that most migration to the UK is legal and benefits the country, my father-in-law is a perfect example. My concern is specifically with illegal immigration, where people bypass proper processes. Even if they don’t use all services directly, there are indirect impacts on emergency NHS care, maternal health, public health planning, and temporary housing. Beyond that, it’s also a safety issue, because those entering illegally are not properly vetted, which can put. communities at risk.

Yup. Illegal immigration is, inherently, a problem (it being illegal and all).

But the numbers are very small - even if we ended all illegal immigration tomorrow, it'd barely make a dent in net immigration.

One of our biggest challenges in controlling illegal immigration is carrying out deportations, which rely on the country of origin (or some third country) taking the immigrants back. That's why policies like this - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g7xyn03yno - are a very sensible, long term means of addressing thr problem.

Reform's plan seems to be for us to leave the ECHR (meaning we all lose important human rights protections) and violating other international treaties, so we can take unlawful actions to deter immigrants - plus throw a lot of money at countries to take currently-detained immigrants back.

I'm not prepared to wave goodbye to my human rights protections, and see the UK violate various international laws (in a way that could well severely injure our economy) in order to more explosively deal with illegal immigration - particularly given that its a tiny portion of net migration.

Probably to one of the 720,000 empty homes in England, and the government needs to pull its finger out to solve the problem of the housing shortage when so many houses are sitting empty.