Am I considered far right now?

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Years ago I would have described myself as liberal and on the left. Over recent years the things I seem to agree with seem to be considered to be on the right and even far right

Examples:

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

Whilst I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point.

I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that. My ideal scenario now would be a nice community, homeschooling and raising kids.

I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle (I don’t tell anyone this though)

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection

I quite like Trump

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life

Have I become far right?

It probably wasn't the right forum to ask those questions so they might have thought you were being goady. You know, sometimes Google is your friend.

Am I considered far right now?

No, you just sound like the typical, angry working class.

These threads are becoming more prevalent on MN, it's a much less supportive place these days with posts seemingly engineered to create ugliness and spite.

What happened to the reasoned, progressive MN? Are there any of us left who don't wish to argue about tabloid topics? It is as if the gutter press tell people what to believe, what to think and what to argue about, and the people OBEY.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Many middle class values and beliefs are now considered woke.
I am not embarrassed to be in that bracket.

We can have a conversation about why the current shape of immigration is concerning without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

And what's with all of the anti education rhetoric recently?

It's like Murdoch Towers around here these days.

Personally I would be more embarrassed to say I had judged the man without going to the source video and seeing what he said in context. I have done this by watching a presentation by a gay black guy who is horrified at how everything is being quoted out of context. It was very enlightening.

I was in hospital and there were some wonderful non-English staff treating me. I can't praise them highly enough. Unlike you, most of my ward were English. There was only one non-English patient shouting and heckling. Bloody Scottish!

Thanks for responding. I imagine we don't disagree about the problems with housing, healthcare and schools. But I don't think illegal immigration is the cause of these: illegal immigrants can't access the NHS (except in emergencies), they don't have access to council housing, I don't think they are the main factor in driving up rents or house prices and keeping wages low. And I don't think bring illegal immigration to zero (even if it was possible) would solve these. And I don't think Reforms low tax/low reg economy is going to solve them either.

Did you not read my post? Legally? As opposed to illegally?

To a Pp, yes I do like Jordan Peterson..a lot actually

To another poster, no I most definitely don’t like Andrew tate 😳

I’m not angry….or working class…

Were you well treated in hospital? Do you actually know why the name Mohammed features so prominently?

OP - If you don't vote Labour you will always be aligned with the Nazis on MN. It used to be that people on here didn't want to admit to voting Tory, now that Reform are gathering more voters and are likely to be voted in come 2029, the left have switched to vilifying Reform supporters.

@Nestingbirds just for you https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/articles/thepopularityofthenamemuhammadmohammedmohammad/2016-09-02

As a white British person with a popular Hebrew/Arabic name I am not really disquieted by babies being called Mohammed TBH

No, you just sound like the typical, angry working class

How does she sound working class? It's no insult to be working class, but I don't see what she's said that makes you think she's working class specifically. And why do you think the working class is typically angry?

How can you like Trump after what he has done to women over the years? Genuinely- if this is not a bar to liking somebody, what does somebody have to do to make you dislike them?
Likewise with Charlie Kirk, surely the horrendous views he held would make you see him for what he was?

nope - you were always far right but due to the current toxic climate you now feel a sense of superiority and confidence to spout nonsense out loud.

If the cap fits.

As if Brexit didn’t do enough damage, people won’t be happy until Farage has completely run this country into the ground. I would be surprised if, other than immigration, the average Reform supporter can name three Reform policies. Go ahead and vote for them, though.

Reminds me of an ex-friend who voted for Brexit because she said there were too many foreigners being let into the country. She still has the very thick accent of the West Indian country she was born and raised in. She doesn’t see herself as a foreigner, though. Somebody…. make it make sense.

We have seen serious attempts here to try and prevent Christmas decorations and Christmas plays. We have been encouraged to use the terms happy holidays rather than happy Christmas. The erosion of many other Christian celebrations is evident.

What has watered down traditional holidays is capitalism, not immigration.

Yes you are. Not someone I’d associate with tbh..

Right definitely, can't really tell how far without knowing you.

The thing that makes me laugh is we would be better off sorting out immigration policies were we still in the EU. We had deals with countries and whilst it wasn’t perfect it was a tad more efficient than it is now.
Most of this isolationist crap started because of Brexit and we’re currently heading down a very dark road.

Genuinely, if you don’t like Andrew Tate (and I agree with you on that one) what is it that makes you quite like Trump?

I’ve been accused of being far left and far right by different people this week so I think that makes me centrist(?) 😂🤷‍♀️

there’s a whole spectrum between the far right and far left.
i think most people are somewhere between them and the issue comes from both sides shutting down sensible discussions on either side.

I am very much to the left.

I think there are times when trans people can reasonably be legally accommodated, and some times where they cannot (in the manner they'd prefer).

I don't think Nationalism is inherently bad, including displaying flags, but I firmly believe the recent flag displays are an expression of racism.

Immigration is tricky, because of the birth rate. Countries with lower birthrates that have also had low immigration (South Korea, Japan) are barreling towards societal collapse. There’s a reason why even right wing European parties, who profess to be somewhat anti-immigration (like the Conservatives) don't impose strict controls when in government - because it would probably means huge cuts to the welfare state (most notably, the state pension). I do not support continual reliance on immigration to address the demographic issues - not least because it is literally unsustainable (the countries we take immigrants from also have plummeting birthrates).

We need to find (an acceptable) way of addressing the birth rate / demographics issue, because high immigration is a symptom of that (and not a standalone problem).

I loathe Trump, Kirk and their ilk. I can accept living in a democracy with those I profoundly disagree with - I cannot accept those that would end democracy.

I also strongly suspect Trump will go down in history as the worst president ever. He's achieved little positive of note, had damaged the US economy and completely undermined the US's standing on the world stage. Worst case, we're witnessing the death of the US as a democracy, best case, we're witnessing the start of its downfall as a superpower (and I don't revel the thought of a China-Russia axis being the major player on the world stage).

Most migration to the UK is legal. In 2024 net migration was 431,000 down from 860,000 in 2023. Only about 40,000 people arrived irregularly and most are refugees or asylum seekers fleeing danger. Migration is not a threat, it supports the economy and public services. So the majority arrived legally... just like your FiL