To be saddened that anyone would want to take away a woman’s right to safe abortion?

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It makes me sad and angry that there are so many people who believe that a woman’s right to a termination is up for debate/political football.

It’s always privileged men too.

No woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy that she doesn’t want.

An abortion is a very safe, simple procedure, it’s a personal and private choice, it’s discreet, no one is ramming it down anyone else’s throat or trying to persuade others to do it. The vast majority of the time is done very early on in the pregnancy. Evidence shows that there are no long term negative physical or mental effects on the woman.

As someone who works for children’s services, there are already far too many children in the care system and they can end up deeply traumatised, and having poor outcomes in life, adoptions often don’t work out and even when they do can be extremely traumatic for both the mother and child. That is not to take away from all of the wonderful adoptive parents and foster carers, but please let’s not romanticise it.

Most adoptions are because the birth parents are unable to care for the child, not because the mother willingly gave the baby up. Therefore to force a woman to give birth would potentially be the worse option for the woman, the child and any existing siblings. It isn’t a fairytale ending where a woman willingly gives up her baby to a loving couple to live happily ever after.

There are babies conceived in poverty, domestic abuse, rape, teenage pregnancies, older age pregnancies. These women should not be forced to give birth, it is not the better option for anyone.

If abortion was ever restricted in the western world then I have no doubt that it would result in unsafe illegal abortions, risking the woman’s life.

Women take all the risk with pregnancy and childbirth. They take an enormous toll on a woman body, her mental health, her life outcomes. We are not living in the dark ages, women deserve the choice.

What right does any privileged male who has probably never experienced any of these things and has probably done very little child rearing, who can never conceive or give birth, have to try to restrict a women’s access to abortion?

Are they themselves going to care for the babies born? Or will they expect that someone else will do it?

I agree with you on your first point, and gathered that anyway.

I couldn’t give two fucks about people who get upset about the choices of others that don’t affect them in any way shape or form. I find those kind of people really weird actually and they’re usually massive twats

Can I ask, is that on a moral basis or do you think abortions should be illegal

the it's independent when born thing is hard to understand

REALLY

Im not really sure how else to explain it

A fetus relies entirely on the body of a other woman.

Once it passes through the birth canal and takes its first breath, it doesn’t.

A newborn baby requires an adult to care for it but it doesn’t require to thrive through the means of an actual particular body it inhabits.

It’s really not that hard I promise.

You cannot possibly know the circumstances around the conception unless you were there.

Even if it is true that the woman was careless with contraception and sexual health, as there a man involved?

Do you therefore believe that women deserve to be punished for their and their sexual partners mistakes? Do you think that forcing these women to continue with the pregnancy will have a good outcome for anyone?

And it doesn’t matter as much as the woman carrying it.

See ya 👋🏻

68,000.

That is the number of women who die each year due to unsafe abortion, and it's probably an underestimate.

I mean, seriously. How can anyone look at that figure and go "yeah, restricting access to abortion is a good thing".

Except it’s not just about pain, is it.

Death, abortion - call it what you like but actually it’s just stopping the progression of a pregnancy.

Can I ask, why is passing through the birth canal and taking a breath the Ultimate Goal for you? Why does this matter above the lives and Gary of women and the quality of life of masses of children? Why doesn’t matter to you so much that this needs to happen to babies you will never know or meet?

Well someone like Charlie Kirk didn't believe women should be on birth control either, because it makes them "bitter and angry" 🙄

An embryo is not the same as a living child. It is no more a living child than a skin tag on pregnant woman's neck is a living child. They are parts of her body that cannot live independently of her. She can tattoo her skin tag or have it removed if she chooses. But nobody can force her to tattoo or remove her skin tag. To do so would be assault. Why is the embryo growing inside her body any different?

Such as?

You’ve missed the point completely. It’s not even about the partners feelings, a baby has just been killed, aborted call it what you want… it’s about the baby, the living being inside the woman

Better services like not being in poverty? Like MH services? The care system? Housing?

Like lifting the two child cap - BTW more women are reporting an increase in aborting WANTED babies since the cap was in place because they can’t afford to have the baby. Is it it in your interest to want this lifted seeing as you care about life (if the definition of “life” is a baby passing through a birth canal and taking a breath) so much?

This post just shows actually how uneducated the anti choice crowd are. They think women are just vessels and it’s just about contraception

Anti-abortion. Not a man, religious or political in any way.

I completely agree with you OP, as someone who had a neglectful, and abusive childhood- I have mental and physical health issues that will be with me for life.
I think protecting the right for women to obtain abortions is the key to preventing much abuse.

These are all bad things but they’re not worse than death.

It all boils down to whether you see the foetus as an equal human being to the mother.

But you would like to see women’s right to choose removed?

Do you think that the outcome would be good? Who for?

So what

Sounds like someone immature and not fit to be a mother. Why would you inflict 3 babies onto this person?

I've read many opinions and pieces of writing on this topic and this is the one that hit the hardest for me. I'm paraphrasing but you get the idea.

There's a fire in a fertility clinic. Trapped inside are 1,000 frozen, fertilised embryos and a 5 year old child. You can only save one. Which do you save, the container of embryos or the child?

Exactly this.

We should be able to choose.

If you want to bring abortion rates down as low as they can be - and believe me, I do, passionately pro choice as I am - then you have to look at the countries where abortion is legal but abortion rates are very low. And you will find they have things in common:

• A robust welfare system
• Excellent access to contraception
• Excellent sex education started early
• Affordable childcare, enabling women to work
• Excellent and affordable healthcare before, during and after pregnancy
• Excellent support for women leaving abusive relationships
• A culture where female sterilisation and the notion that women do not want (any more) children is accepted
• A culture where men take responsibility for contraception
• A culture where men are made to take financial responsibility for children they have fathered

But funnily enough, the very people screaming loudest about wanting to ban abortion are also the people screaming loudest about not having any of the above, because it's socialism.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

It's taking a human life. You presumably don't consider it to be a "personal and private choice" when someone decides to kill a human being who's outside a uterus. It's not personal, because there's a victim, who's a separate person.

No doubt you don't and won't accept that. But if you're so pro personal choice, surely you should acknowledge the right of people of both sexes to make their own personal choice to do what they can to defend the most innocent and defenceless people there are? You think you can make the choice to terminate a whole human existence, but nobody else can make the choice to open their mouth and say "this is wrong"? Come on. You have the right, under the law of the land as it stands, to make this choice; be happy with that. You do not have the right to immunity from anyone else criticizing your choices. Just like with anything else, really.

From the OP: 'If abortion was ever restricted in the western world'

The referendum to legalise abortion in Ireland was just 7 years ago.

From Google:
The Death of Savita Halappanavar
The Incident:
In 2012, Savita Halappanavar died from sepsis after a prolonged miscarriage while her request for an abortion was denied on legal grounds.

The Impact:
Her death led to significant public outcry, forcing a national debate on Ireland's strict abortion laws and culminating in a referendum to repeal the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution.

Legislative and Systemic Changes
Abortion Legalization:
The 2018 referendum repealed the constitutional ban, leading to the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act, which legalized abortion in the Republic of Ireland.

Abortion is very much restricted in the Western world, if you include most of the U.S.A.

‘birth control like really screws up female brains, by the way. Every single one of you need to make sure that your loved ones are not on birth control. It increases depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation. Birth control is the number one prescribed medication for young ladies under the age of 25. They will give young ladies birth control for pimples, for acne, to control their moods, their period. It is awful, it’s terrible, and it creates very angry and bitter young ladies and young women.’

Not everyone has side effects from the pill but plenty do so he’s not fully wrong.

So as you care so much for these human lives as you believe they are.

Would you be prepared to care for them, if the mother is unable to?

Do you campaign for better maternity rights and services for women? Better benefits, better housing, better education. Do you campaign against domestic abuse?

Do you actually care about hat happens to these lives once they are born?

Why? I’m genuinely curious.