To be saddened that anyone would want to take away a woman’s right to safe abortion?

[Balayagequeen]

It makes me sad and angry that there are so many people who believe that a woman’s right to a termination is up for debate/political football.

It’s always privileged men too.

No woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy that she doesn’t want.

An abortion is a very safe, simple procedure, it’s a personal and private choice, it’s discreet, no one is ramming it down anyone else’s throat or trying to persuade others to do it. The vast majority of the time is done very early on in the pregnancy. Evidence shows that there are no long term negative physical or mental effects on the woman.

As someone who works for children’s services, there are already far too many children in the care system and they can end up deeply traumatised, and having poor outcomes in life, adoptions often don’t work out and even when they do can be extremely traumatic for both the mother and child. That is not to take away from all of the wonderful adoptive parents and foster carers, but please let’s not romanticise it.

Most adoptions are because the birth parents are unable to care for the child, not because the mother willingly gave the baby up. Therefore to force a woman to give birth would potentially be the worse option for the woman, the child and any existing siblings. It isn’t a fairytale ending where a woman willingly gives up her baby to a loving couple to live happily ever after.

There are babies conceived in poverty, domestic abuse, rape, teenage pregnancies, older age pregnancies. These women should not be forced to give birth, it is not the better option for anyone.

If abortion was ever restricted in the western world then I have no doubt that it would result in unsafe illegal abortions, risking the woman’s life.

Women take all the risk with pregnancy and childbirth. They take an enormous toll on a woman body, her mental health, her life outcomes. We are not living in the dark ages, women deserve the choice.

What right does any privileged male who has probably never experienced any of these things and has probably done very little child rearing, who can never conceive or give birth, have to try to restrict a women’s access to abortion?

Are they themselves going to care for the babies born? Or will they expect that someone else will do it?

I’ve proven you wrong - rape isn’t a grey area. It’s really clearly defined actually, even talking about body parts.

But if you want to continue to spout more embarrassing drivel about rape being a grey area, Carry on so others can see your misogyny

I think this is very important indeed. People are seeing this far Right tide in bitty little surges, with single goals, and so on.
But the leaders of these flag wavers are in cahoots with all manner of far Right strangeness, in the cause of mutual support and guaranteed aid, aiming to appear as a vast, Europe-wide uprising, even though there may be only very minor agreement between them on major issues, and much of this contact is from across the Atlantic, as is very lavish funding.
The richest donors are outfits for whom not only abortion must be eradicated (along with gay marriage of course) but so too must this modern obsession with women’s liberation.
We have come too far, in their book, and they want us back in the kitchen, eyes lowered.
(It’s amazing that Aghanistan is an enemy state for them, given how close to the Taliban credo they cleave)

Seriously, they have plans for us, even if the ‘they’ in our town don’t realise quite what they have signed up for.
Aux armes, citoyennes! ✊🏼

It’s a shame that some women’s scans reveal they need a TMR later than planned but it’s not a problem and shouldn’t be a reason for forced birth

Please do try to explain what the fuck you are taking about here, if you can.

It’s not my fault if you ca t understand basic language. tldr: so what if a baby survived at 21 weeks. Whats that got to do with anything?

I imagine it’s aligned with many people’s views tbh

Oh no, we must care what the woman hating thickos think.

oh wait - no, they can in fact Get To Fuck

I don’t think someone that wants to electively abort their foetus at 38 weeks gestation is a whole lot better than one who murders a baby 1 week post birth.

Do you also believe in other mythical creatures like Santa? Or do you just relish a chance to criticise women even make believe ones?

Depends on the circumstances. I think the law in the UK is pretty good. There is a limit for healthy pregnancies but there are exceptions for medical reasons.

Right! That isn’t an abortion issue at all. It’s about a woman being oppressed and denied agency, and that is another day's rant.

Abortion is health care, so of course you are talking about health care being withheld. What a ridiculous argument.

It absolutely is the same. They are all risky choices which can require health care intervention. You cannot actually explain why there is a difference, can you. The best you've got is car insurance? Give me a break. Yeah, there's no pregnancy insurance or sports insurance or home renovation injury insurance. So?
Abortion is taking responsibility for the consequences of your actions. Do you actually think abortion is pleasant and something women do willy nilly?

You can't dictate what women who are not you feel. There is no 'right' way to do abortion. The idea that women can only have an abortion if they feel sad and traumatised about it is abhorrent.

The pro lifers can all just do one. They too have no right to dictate how people who are not them feel.

Abortion IS the insurance policy!

Who’s dismissing them? Societal pressure into unwanted abortion there may be, but only insofar as it may occur within our society, rather than be an actual message disseminated by the local council.
It’s far more likely women being coerced into actions they do not wish for, being denied agency, and generally being second class citizens in many respects. This isn’t about abortion though, it’s about the need for ever-vigilant and militant Feminism.

I appreciate your viewpoint and admire your consistency!

So you think there are circumstances where the woman should be forced to stay pregnant against her will then?

Oh I totally agree and certainly don’t think the vast majority of women’s regret their abortion.

I really hope women DO have minimal effects - but I think physically just the procedure will always be unpleasant?

I’m playing into their hands by having the stance that women matter more than a fetus, so I can’t say I’m bothered.

But no I don’t have sympathy towards something that can’t feel anything and has no awareness? Why would I? I know anti choicers have the notion that all babies want to be born but it’s just utter baseless manipulative nonsense that has no scientific bearing.

I only feel sad for the woman. Why would I feel sad for something that doesn’t even know what it is?

Pregnancy and birth impacts a woman's body is a huge number of ways, some of which are life changing and at times life threatening. No-one should be forced to go through with it.

They should have access to MH support.

Their trauma should not be weaponised to restrict the rights of other women

What about the women who wish they had aborted their babies but didn’t die to pressure? What shall we do about them? It’s unfair to dismiss them

What about if baby due to be born next week?

No. It is my opinion only with regards to the law.
Do you know the statistics regarding late term termination? This argument keeps being brought up constantly by pro lifers. We should not allow abortions because some women may have late abortions. What are the numbers?
Vast majority of women will have abortions early in the pregnancy and most late abortions are TMRs.

Restricting abortions is withholding healthcare because abortions are healthcare

If you drive a car you have insurance, this is because you acknowledge the risk of having an accident

Also why we have a NHS and pay National Insurance, to find in the case of things going wrong. Including car accidents which BTW insurance doesn’t cover NHS costs.

Its interesting and convenient that you think people should only be saved from the consequences of their actions if they <checks notes> can buy insurance. Bt then your barrel scraping falls down when you consider we have National Insurance

Having sex, knowing there is a risk of pregnancy, but not taking responsibility for that outcome, is not the same as the situations you have described

Wrong!

Seeking medical help for a car accident IS taking responsibility just like getting an abortion is taking responsibility. It’s the same thing.

It just so happens you think women having sex should not be able to seek medical assistance though. I wonder why

They not only want to police our reproductive decisions, but our feelings about them as well. Good grief.

That's a nonsense comeback. It wouldn't be legal under current abortion rules. If at that stage it's a threat to the mothers life they deliver the baby. No mother would d cider to abort at term.Stop using hyperbole to try and make a point.

I find the forced birthers desperation to find someone who says “Yeah I totally agree with a woman having an abortion at 39 weeks because she’s decided she likes her sleep too much and wants to have lots of nights out” really pathetic and weird.

Ive had some posters ITCHING for me to say I agree with late term abortions for lifestyle reasons and keep telling me this is what I really think. Losers.

We know why, and the motivation is ugly, isn't it. They are offended by non-procreative female sexuality in particular and non-procreative sexuality in general. That's all it really is, but they'll never admit it. They dress it up with a bunch of logically challenged word salad about consequences and responsibility and sentimental drivel about innocent babies to try to hide their puritanical motivations. I know who these people really are. I have debated with them for decades and their puritanism always shows itself eventually.

Is this for real?

So because some women regret their life decisions you want to remove freedom of making such decisions from everyone?

Just a hypothetical scenario - imagine all these women who are forced to continue with pregnancy go on strike and abandon their babies straight after birth. What's going to happen with these babies? do we as a society have sufficient capacity to raise them? given current outcomes of already existing children in care? is this a scenario you're advocating for? or do you want to force women to have unwanted children and then raise them?

But they do. Just like women who kill and abuse their born babies. @LayerCakeOfStrangers thinks they have no worth until the minutes there are ejected. Do pro abortion until born really think that a woman can do whatever she wants to an unborn child? That they can be eternally selfish just because? Surely sometimes we need to put others first?

Well, unless one were dwelling sadly on exactly what is taking place, it might not be unpleasant or no more than any other minor procedure would be.

I just remember counting backwards to about seven, and then being wheeled into a pleasant recovery ward, high as a kite on fabulous drugs.
A kind of period pain, and minor bleeding (this op was at about 11 weeks I think) which lasted about three days. Had to use santowels of course! Great excuse to eat steak every day.

(But it can be risky I guess, as you have to guard against an annoying infection and for some that may prove difficult depending on any pressure for sex. You cannot dive back in immediately and he should not expect you to)