To be saddened that anyone would want to take away a woman’s right to safe abortion?

[Balayagequeen]

It makes me sad and angry that there are so many people who believe that a woman’s right to a termination is up for debate/political football.

It’s always privileged men too.

No woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy that she doesn’t want.

An abortion is a very safe, simple procedure, it’s a personal and private choice, it’s discreet, no one is ramming it down anyone else’s throat or trying to persuade others to do it. The vast majority of the time is done very early on in the pregnancy. Evidence shows that there are no long term negative physical or mental effects on the woman.

As someone who works for children’s services, there are already far too many children in the care system and they can end up deeply traumatised, and having poor outcomes in life, adoptions often don’t work out and even when they do can be extremely traumatic for both the mother and child. That is not to take away from all of the wonderful adoptive parents and foster carers, but please let’s not romanticise it.

Most adoptions are because the birth parents are unable to care for the child, not because the mother willingly gave the baby up. Therefore to force a woman to give birth would potentially be the worse option for the woman, the child and any existing siblings. It isn’t a fairytale ending where a woman willingly gives up her baby to a loving couple to live happily ever after.

There are babies conceived in poverty, domestic abuse, rape, teenage pregnancies, older age pregnancies. These women should not be forced to give birth, it is not the better option for anyone.

If abortion was ever restricted in the western world then I have no doubt that it would result in unsafe illegal abortions, risking the woman’s life.

Women take all the risk with pregnancy and childbirth. They take an enormous toll on a woman body, her mental health, her life outcomes. We are not living in the dark ages, women deserve the choice.

What right does any privileged male who has probably never experienced any of these things and has probably done very little child rearing, who can never conceive or give birth, have to try to restrict a women’s access to abortion?

Are they themselves going to care for the babies born? Or will they expect that someone else will do it?

Dear me this is rather exhausting

A born baby has feelings and awareness. Because it’s been born.

Duh

It’s not laughable that someone is upset because they believe you are mocking the idea of a fetus that age being a baby. Have some respect.

But they also have feeling and awarness before theyre born. 😭 Do you know how labour works?

I used to take part in a program for young mums. The families that did it used to meet up every now and again and chat. When the subject came up, all the families who were giving up their time and care to mums so they could keep their kids in their care were pro-choice.

Money, time, care, housing. Give mums that and you’d see fewer abortions.

That’s another reason it’s obviously misogyny, not care fr babies.

Another is the lack of pressure to make dads accountable.

I believe that most abortions are completely avoidable if adults behaved responsibly. I believe that taking a human life before it's born is morally wrong. I think it's sickening when people use abortion as birth control. I also believe that in cases where the mother's life is at risk, abortion should obviously be allowed. I personally wouldn't deny abortion to victims of rape, either, though I struggle with it in the abstract, as the unborn child has done nothing wrong.

There are a lot of things people do that we as individuals and as a society feel free to judge and make illegal. I don't see why abortion should be free of judgement and regulation, especially considering that it denies life to the innocent unborn.

It's irrelevant what they look like. The facts show that up until later in pregnancy they do not feel anything, cannot possibly, have no capacity for thought, zero consciousness. Therefore they are not people. They have no need for rights.
What about that do people not get?

People who are completely against abortion don’t care about happens to the baby, the mum or her existing children when the baby is born.

They probably also at some point witter on about their overwhelming burning disgust towards large families, single mums working part time around their kids, benefit claimants, people who don’t earn a lot, families in overcrowded homes, women staying in abusive relationships (trapped because of having the baby). And yet they want every single woman to carry on with every single pregnancy.

Or they’re happy for children to have their life ended by bullets while they sit in classrooms because it means they can play with their penis extenders, sorry guns

Yes it should.

Its her body afterall.

Yea babies can thrive without women. How do you think it a possible when women sadly die in childbirth but their baby survives?

No one is killing babies.

And women dying in childbirth is still a thing, sadly. The fact that you don't acknowledge/care about that is how I know women are the lowest of your priorities.

It's a very odd argument to say that the kind of women you are so happy to label as irresponsible as to get pregnant without wanting to be are then suddenly responsible enough to actually raise a child.

Don't you think?

The problem is that early stage abortion is an order of magnitude less dangerous in terms of death and/or permanent health impacts than carrying to term and giving birth.

If you want to force a woman to give birth against her will, you are also forcing her to take the risk of birth injuries which may have a lifelong effect. I call that cruelty.

The religious argument, btw, is bollocks. All that does is impact the person who has that faith. Nobody is allowed to impose the rules of their faith on another person - freedom of religion and all that good stuff.

Well this is getting silly. 🙄 Obviously the toddler would come first. The embryos are a bunch of cells that have not yet implanted onto a woman’s uterus. However, they would still be very important to a lot of people so yes I would also try to save them. 🙄

I was trying to be succinct to make a point. Is there anything about having a baby that’s worse than death?

Total Female bodily autonomy … as women we are able to make decisions about our bodies.
We do not require permission, from others, to do what is right for us.

Once they start deciding what we do with our bodies, as we can’t be trusted to do “the right thing” we are on a slippery slope.

No, I’m talking about her right to life free of a child she can’t look after

Free to not be forced to have a backstreet abortion

Free to not risk her health through a forced birth

Free to not have the utmost trauma of delivering a baby she didn’t want, and whatever that means afterward.

Women are more than just vessels. Women have feelings and needs and deserve to be happy. Not just suddenly become literal second class citizens because of an unwanted pregnancy

But are you a fundamentalist "Christian"? The quotation marks are because many of the so-called Christians I see seem to lack any basic human compassion.

Well I don’t believe in God, nor do most people, and there’s a good reason why church and state should be deep rate in law making

I said the claim that a 12 week fetus qualifies as a person is laughable, not her feelings. I do not feel obligated to be respectful about statements that fly in the face of facts.
She should try showing some respect for the rights and feelings of women who do not wish to be forced to give birth.

And women dying from the inevitable illegal abortions that will happen.

A zygote, embryos or fetus is not a child. It is a potential life. It should not be prioritised over actual, existing, woman's life.

Noone will force you to have an abortion then, it's a choice.

I can't believe that you would like to prevent women who are pregnant from rape from having an abortion. You are forcing them to give birth to their rapist's baby. As for the adults born to mums that have been raped being grateful that their lives were saved, if they had never been born they wouldn't have known anything about it.

As for this:

'being a mum means making a sacrifice and putting someone elses life before you.'

You are trying to make women who have had an abortion because they were pregnant through rape feel guilty. I find your stance utterly disgusting and abhorrent.

Western medicine doesn’t really factor into backstreet abortions

Western medicine didn’t save Savita Halappanavar because although she died in a hospital the anti abortion laws meant she died a horrible premature death, and she didn’t even want an abortions they wouldn’t dispense their western medicine because of the laws

So your point is sadly entirely moot

You sound very naive about the realities of contraception and some women’s lives and circumstances.

I trust you are aware that there is no such thing as 100% failsafe and effective contraception?

I have two separate sets of friends who were diligently using double contraception - and had unplanned pregnancies. The risk of failure is per incidence of coitus, so if you have a healthy sex life, your risk of an unplanned pregnancy with correct use of contraception is considerable.

Then there's the women who can't use hormonal contraception, the selfish men who refuse to use condoms because 'it doesn't feel nice', the patronising medical establishment who will not allow a woman of childbearing age to get sterilised because 'the little woman might change her mind'. This is what we're up against. It's nice and easy to think that it's all down to people being irresponsible, but actually it isn't anything like that simple.