To be saddened that anyone would want to take away a woman’s right to safe abortion?

[Balayagequeen]

It makes me sad and angry that there are so many people who believe that a woman’s right to a termination is up for debate/political football.

It’s always privileged men too.

No woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy that she doesn’t want.

An abortion is a very safe, simple procedure, it’s a personal and private choice, it’s discreet, no one is ramming it down anyone else’s throat or trying to persuade others to do it. The vast majority of the time is done very early on in the pregnancy. Evidence shows that there are no long term negative physical or mental effects on the woman.

As someone who works for children’s services, there are already far too many children in the care system and they can end up deeply traumatised, and having poor outcomes in life, adoptions often don’t work out and even when they do can be extremely traumatic for both the mother and child. That is not to take away from all of the wonderful adoptive parents and foster carers, but please let’s not romanticise it.

Most adoptions are because the birth parents are unable to care for the child, not because the mother willingly gave the baby up. Therefore to force a woman to give birth would potentially be the worse option for the woman, the child and any existing siblings. It isn’t a fairytale ending where a woman willingly gives up her baby to a loving couple to live happily ever after.

There are babies conceived in poverty, domestic abuse, rape, teenage pregnancies, older age pregnancies. These women should not be forced to give birth, it is not the better option for anyone.

If abortion was ever restricted in the western world then I have no doubt that it would result in unsafe illegal abortions, risking the woman’s life.

Women take all the risk with pregnancy and childbirth. They take an enormous toll on a woman body, her mental health, her life outcomes. We are not living in the dark ages, women deserve the choice.

What right does any privileged male who has probably never experienced any of these things and has probably done very little child rearing, who can never conceive or give birth, have to try to restrict a women’s access to abortion?

Are they themselves going to care for the babies born? Or will they expect that someone else will do it?

I agree.
Usually I’d like to think that rent-a-gobs like him don’t actually mean half the shit they spout but to see him say it so casually that he would force his own innocent baby girl to suffer like this was chilling. He meant it.
I think it’s pretty clear that the “pro-life” movement have caused much pain and suffering and death with their extremism and it’s no wonder the birth rate has collapsed in the US. They have made women frightened to become pregnant, even if they want the baby, because they know that they are reduced to mere carriers in many states now. Not valuable, precious human beings in their own right, just carriers of the unborn who can and will be left to die if push comes to shove.
It is truly hideous.

You might be, we're all different. I know I have never given much thought to the potential baby when women I have known have had early miscarriages,

Forced birth isn’t only a danger to a woman’s life because she might die in childbirth.

How naive.

What about the huge impact on her mental health and her life outcomes? What about potential risks from the father?

Because the belief is that an innocent child always comes first. And killing any life on purpose is bad.
On a slightly other point, I can’t believe how many Christians / pro lifers are pro death penalty! That’s hypocritical and sickening to me. At least be consistent.

It's not capable of being "innocent." It has no personality because it isn't a person. The use of loaded emotional language to describe a life form without any consciousness is a propaganda tactic. It doesn't work on anyone but ignorant religious nutters. The facts are clear and I do think most people, at least outside the US, are aware of them.

Abortion is health care.

women have to end wanted pregnancies in order to save their own lives and future fertility all the time.

women who can’t safely carry a pregnancy and took measures to prevent being pregnant find themselves pregnant anyway.

Some women in the United States are currently being told they must be near death before doctors can intervene even though everyone knows a pregnancy is doomed. Women are ending up with hysterectomies or dying because they can’t have a simple abortion before it becomes an emergency.

Anti-abortionists don’t care about saving lives. They can’t defend their position with morality. They are advocating for the deaths of women.

I dont think autonomy should be taken away from anyone. If its not right for you then you dont do it. I am anti-abortion. Thats my choice. I do believe that there should be a limit. I have known women be so completely careless and have abortion after abortion just because its available to them. This i dont agree with.

You don’t want a woman to be able to make medical decisions about her own body?

It’s thriving on its own without the need of a woman

Really? A newborn baby? I'm pretty sure they can't thrive on their own!

It it shouldn't all be about the woman.

It isn't a child. And the mother is (usually) innocent too. What if the mother is a child herself? Or has other innocent children she has to prioritise? Why is the embryo/foetus always more important than living, breathing people?

There are plenty of humans in the world. We don’t need any more unwanted ones. Let women choose, always. Having had a kid I am now even more pro abortion as I know first hand how much it takes out of you and how much it completely destroys / alters life as you know it. No man should ever be able to make that choice for women.

It’s independent of another body, yes.
Not sure what’s hard to understand?

The Lily Allen thing makes me uncomfortable

But we can’t legislate against things that make us uncomfortable

Unless you think totally irresponsible people should be cracking out endless babies. I don’t. I respect the human life more than that.

But that’s all about belief. If you believe in God then you believe they do have a personality and I suppose potential personality from conception and of course at some point it feels pain and comfort from it’s mother. You only have to read all those any surrogacy threads about it.

Where the mum’s life is in danger by continuing the pregnancy?

I’d probably say the mum’s life should take priority but it’s a situation not relevant in 99%+ of abortions so not sure it’s relevant to the thread.

Well actually you wouldn’t becauase a woman would be having an unwanted baby.

What point in gestation do you agree with forced birth? And do you accept that women would die because of this?

It's fascinating to read posts from anti-abortionists and come to the realisation that they genuinely have an imaginary hierarchy in their heads where no matter what, women must aways be at the very bottom.

Lower than men. Lower than non-sentient embryos. Lives and wellbeing less important than clumps of cells that may not even turn into a baby. I wonder if they ever stop and wonder from where they internalised this level of misogyny?

Misogynists don’t care if women die though.

look at Savita Halappanavar

She died of sepsis and she WANTED her baby. They don’t care that there would be thousands upon thousands of women just like her if you outlaw abortions.

Up until later in pregnancy, somewhere after 22 weeks, it is completely true. Would you like me to prove it?
Abortions that late are rare and done to save the life of the mother.

Why lower than men? And babies are girls too.
So many baby girls are still aborted for their sex.

What do people think happens to unwanted babies? Have pro lifers ever really thought about it? Have you seen an overburdened care system first hand? Have you seen the statistics of abuse in foster and adoptive homes? What sort of opportunities for success do you think care leavers have?
Are you volunteering to up your taxes, or open your homes to provide the vast amount of time and money it takes to raise a baby without a family who wants it or can care for it?

While I absolutely see and understand your point, the nurses are very thorough on the phone and very strict with the instructions they give if things arent going to plan.

Yes actually! I can’t remember exact gestation for different development but I remember learning a lot in my degree and being quite shocked how early it was.

I’m not talking about death.

Well, I am, but not Jay death - her right to a child free life? Her right to a life where she isn’t forced to be a mother when she can’t?

Out of interest where do you stand on pregnancy of children and pregnancies as a result of incest or rape?

People's main reasoning for abortion seems to be women dying if they continue the pregnancy. I wonder what percentage that amounts to in the Western world with modern medicine?

Again I’m not only talking about deaths, but a right to a child free life that she wants and deserves?

What about the masses of children who’ll be born into the care system and into poverty? How do you think their lives will be? Or is making it out into the world the ONLY goal?