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To be saddened that anyone would want to take away a woman’s right to safe abortion?

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Balayagequeen · 13/09/2025 14:48

It makes me sad and angry that there are so many people who believe that a woman’s right to a termination is up for debate/political football.

It’s always privileged men too.

No woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy that she doesn’t want.

An abortion is a very safe, simple procedure, it’s a personal and private choice, it’s discreet, no one is ramming it down anyone else’s throat or trying to persuade others to do it. The vast majority of the time is done very early on in the pregnancy. Evidence shows that there are no long term negative physical or mental effects on the woman.

As someone who works for children’s services, there are already far too many children in the care system and they can end up deeply traumatised, and having poor outcomes in life, adoptions often don’t work out and even when they do can be extremely traumatic for both the mother and child. That is not to take away from all of the wonderful adoptive parents and foster carers, but please let’s not romanticise it.

Most adoptions are because the birth parents are unable to care for the child, not because the mother willingly gave the baby up. Therefore to force a woman to give birth would potentially be the worse option for the woman, the child and any existing siblings. It isn’t a fairytale ending where a woman willingly gives up her baby to a loving couple to live happily ever after.

There are babies conceived in poverty, domestic abuse, rape, teenage pregnancies, older age pregnancies. These women should not be forced to give birth, it is not the better option for anyone.

If abortion was ever restricted in the western world then I have no doubt that it would result in unsafe illegal abortions, risking the woman’s life.

Women take all the risk with pregnancy and childbirth. They take an enormous toll on a woman body, her mental health, her life outcomes. We are not living in the dark ages, women deserve the choice.

What right does any privileged male who has probably never experienced any of these things and has probably done very little child rearing, who can never conceive or give birth, have to try to restrict a women’s access to abortion?

Are they themselves going to care for the babies born? Or will they expect that someone else will do it?

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WishinAndHopin · 14/09/2025 00:54

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 14/09/2025 00:51

I agree with you. Imagine adding so many children to the care system and into poverty, not to mention hundreds of thousands of traumatised women, all because apparently life is the greatest gift of all and even those destined to have a shit life should just be half they were born.

As if everyone having an abortion would give their babies up for adoption. The reason they are aborting them is because they wouldn't consider adoption.

So often the baby would be loved - just not right now, or with this man, or with this lack of money.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 14/09/2025 00:55

What a surprise the three worded first time bots posters pop on with their AI generated content nonsense.

Spike666 · 14/09/2025 00:55

I'm very interested to know what the anti-abortion (or forced birthers) suggest we do with the women and their children who would be forced to go through with a pregnancy they didn't want?

Presumably you know about the history of backstreet abortions?

You like that? You want more of that?

Spike666 · 14/09/2025 00:55

I'm very interested to know what the anti-abortion (or forced birthers) suggest we do with the women and their children who would be forced to go through with a pregnancy they didn't want?

Presumably you know about the history of backstreet abortions?

You like that? You want more of that?

WishinAndHopin · 14/09/2025 00:56

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 14/09/2025 00:53

Will they fuck.

Theyll just dodge child support and consoling they were “trapped”

Then make withholding paternal support, or the threat thereof, a crime.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 14/09/2025 00:56

SereneHazelAnt · 14/09/2025 00:44

Lots of non religious people, don't agree with abortions.

No Muslim agrees with abortion.

I have Muslim friends who agree with abortion.

Spike666 · 14/09/2025 00:57

WishinAndHopin · 14/09/2025 00:56

Then make withholding paternal support, or the threat thereof, a crime.

Lol.

WishinAndHopin · 14/09/2025 00:57

Spike666 · 14/09/2025 00:55

I'm very interested to know what the anti-abortion (or forced birthers) suggest we do with the women and their children who would be forced to go through with a pregnancy they didn't want?

Presumably you know about the history of backstreet abortions?

You like that? You want more of that?

The history of backstreet abortions is greatly exaggerated.

Funnily enough, pro-lifers are opposed to killing the unborn, whether it's illegal or not.

WishinAndHopin · 14/09/2025 00:58

Spike666 · 14/09/2025 00:57

Lol.

God forbid men be legally held accountable. Threatening to withdraw support is a form of coercing abortion. Are you pro-choice or just pro abortion?

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 14/09/2025 00:58

Bbq1 · 14/09/2025 00:46

I knew I would be countered with an argument about rape and incest which is why I made the point that the MAJORITY of women have,
access to contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancies. It's pretty obvious that the MAJORITY of women having abortions are not victims of either rape or incest. Again, the majority.

Do you actually have any stats for this??

Spike666 · 14/09/2025 00:58

WishinAndHopin · 14/09/2025 00:57

The history of backstreet abortions is greatly exaggerated.

Funnily enough, pro-lifers are opposed to killing the unborn, whether it's illegal or not.

Greatly exaggerated.

Of course. My great aunt didn't die from sepsis because of one then.

XenoBitch · 14/09/2025 00:59

WishinAndHopin · 14/09/2025 00:53

And why would surgery cause them to move? Why is local anesthesia indicated for some procedures, rather than those that cause muscle paralysis? Why have you ignored other evidence of sentience?

Pretending that fetuses have no sentience is pro-abort propaganda.

You can tell a person that is capable of understanding that they need to stay still for a procedure when they have a local aesthetic.
We anesthetise pets when they need things like MRI and x-rays as they do not understand that they have to stay still.
A foetus also has zero understanding so will be anesthetised.
You can not operate on something that is moving.

MyCrushWithEyeliner · 14/09/2025 01:00

SereneHazelAnt · 14/09/2025 00:30

Just don't have sex if you don't want children

There’s some idiotic comments on here but you win with this one

WishinAndHopin · 14/09/2025 01:00

Spike666 · 14/09/2025 00:58

Greatly exaggerated.

Of course. My great aunt didn't die from sepsis because of one then.

"Greatly exaggerated" =/= "never, ever happened".

You can die of sepsis from legal surgical abortions. It's surgery.

ETA, most illegal abortions where still performed by doctors in normal medical settings. Just illegally.

Spike666 · 14/09/2025 01:02

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 14/09/2025 00:58

Do you actually have any stats for this??

I think it's irrelevant why any woman has an abortion.

Everyone brings the rape and incest argument out.

There shouldn't be 'special cases'. There should just be the opportunity for any woman to terminate a pregnancy for whatever reason they choose.

And that's that.

WishinAndHopin · 14/09/2025 01:03

XenoBitch · 14/09/2025 00:59

You can tell a person that is capable of understanding that they need to stay still for a procedure when they have a local aesthetic.
We anesthetise pets when they need things like MRI and x-rays as they do not understand that they have to stay still.
A foetus also has zero understanding so will be anesthetised.
You can not operate on something that is moving.

And why are they moving? Because the pain disturbs them. Pets are also sentient. Surely you don't disagree with that?

Born babies also don't understand that they will be operated on. A lack of understanding is not an excuse to cause needless suffering.

Spike666 · 14/09/2025 01:04

WishinAndHopin · 14/09/2025 01:00

"Greatly exaggerated" =/= "never, ever happened".

You can die of sepsis from legal surgical abortions. It's surgery.

ETA, most illegal abortions where still performed by doctors in normal medical settings. Just illegally.

Edited

Cool cool cool.

I think you mean were, not where.

XenoBitch · 14/09/2025 01:05

SereneHazelAnt · 14/09/2025 00:53

By women being responsible for their actions.

So you are advocating for real born children to be a punishment//consequence for women wanting sex?
Believe it or not, women generally enjoy and want sex.
Why are women the ones that has to be "punished", and not men?

Thunderpants88 · 14/09/2025 01:06

I’m anti abortion too. And a women.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 14/09/2025 01:06

WishinAndHopin · 14/09/2025 00:50

They have to resort to the most extreme of situations to justify killing unborn humans en masse as a form of contraception.

In the case of CSA, abortions can be forced on young girls to hide the irrefutable evidence of rape. What do pro-aborts think of this?

Actually I don’t need a justification other than “the mother wanted to”. Normal people don’t demand reasons before deciding if it’s a worthy reason.

In the case of CSA, abortions can be forced on young girls. What do pro-aborts think of this?

Im glad!
for various reasons
Abused children can’t fully consent to being a child mother by their rapist. How many do you think WANT a baby probably from incest when they’re still a child?! Not to mention they’d probably have the baby taken off them.

Secondly, and this probably hasn’t occurred to you because you don’t see women and girls as humans, but did you ACTUALLY picture a dad taking his pregnant 11yo to a doctor and she just gets an abortion forced by him and the doctor would just say “OK”.
If a pregnant child was taken for a “forced abortion” then that’s the moment the abuse is uncovered or at least suspected. It allows safeguarding trigger and shed hoepfully be taken out that situation and her abuser would be jailed. Did you know that in ma y cases aborted foetuses have been able to provide the answer as to who has abused the child via their DNA?

Would you prefer she gave birth and had the baby taken off her? I imagine so - you only seem to value babies taking their first breath and don’t care about them after that.

Nice of you to weaponise CSA to flaunt your anti-woman choices though. Stop pretending you give a shit about abused girls.

Spike666 · 14/09/2025 01:07

Thunderpants88 · 14/09/2025 01:06

I’m anti abortion too. And a women.

Good to see all the articulates out tonight.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 14/09/2025 01:07

SereneHazelAnt · 14/09/2025 00:50

What medical reasons? If the baby is 38 weeks than you don't need to abort the baby, do you.

JFC.

Why are you debating when you don’t know basic facts?

Vaguelyclassical · 14/09/2025 01:08

Spike666 · 14/09/2025 01:02

I think it's irrelevant why any woman has an abortion.

Everyone brings the rape and incest argument out.

There shouldn't be 'special cases'. There should just be the opportunity for any woman to terminate a pregnancy for whatever reason they choose.

And that's that.

I totally agree.

XenoBitch · 14/09/2025 01:08

WishinAndHopin · 14/09/2025 01:03

And why are they moving? Because the pain disturbs them. Pets are also sentient. Surely you don't disagree with that?

Born babies also don't understand that they will be operated on. A lack of understanding is not an excuse to cause needless suffering.

No, people/pets are anesthetised because they move. Moving is not good when you are trying to operate on them.
They get given drugs which basically paralyses them.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 14/09/2025 01:08

SereneHazelAnt · 14/09/2025 00:50

Plenty of choice.

The choice not to have sex.

Cut men of from sex and they will soon step up

Ah yes, the old “blame women for men fucking up” trope.

How lovely to love such as..simplistic life.

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