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To be saddened that anyone would want to take away a woman’s right to safe abortion?

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Balayagequeen · 13/09/2025 14:48

It makes me sad and angry that there are so many people who believe that a woman’s right to a termination is up for debate/political football.

It’s always privileged men too.

No woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy that she doesn’t want.

An abortion is a very safe, simple procedure, it’s a personal and private choice, it’s discreet, no one is ramming it down anyone else’s throat or trying to persuade others to do it. The vast majority of the time is done very early on in the pregnancy. Evidence shows that there are no long term negative physical or mental effects on the woman.

As someone who works for children’s services, there are already far too many children in the care system and they can end up deeply traumatised, and having poor outcomes in life, adoptions often don’t work out and even when they do can be extremely traumatic for both the mother and child. That is not to take away from all of the wonderful adoptive parents and foster carers, but please let’s not romanticise it.

Most adoptions are because the birth parents are unable to care for the child, not because the mother willingly gave the baby up. Therefore to force a woman to give birth would potentially be the worse option for the woman, the child and any existing siblings. It isn’t a fairytale ending where a woman willingly gives up her baby to a loving couple to live happily ever after.

There are babies conceived in poverty, domestic abuse, rape, teenage pregnancies, older age pregnancies. These women should not be forced to give birth, it is not the better option for anyone.

If abortion was ever restricted in the western world then I have no doubt that it would result in unsafe illegal abortions, risking the woman’s life.

Women take all the risk with pregnancy and childbirth. They take an enormous toll on a woman body, her mental health, her life outcomes. We are not living in the dark ages, women deserve the choice.

What right does any privileged male who has probably never experienced any of these things and has probably done very little child rearing, who can never conceive or give birth, have to try to restrict a women’s access to abortion?

Are they themselves going to care for the babies born? Or will they expect that someone else will do it?

OP posts:
WishinAndHopin · 13/09/2025 21:36

PrincessofWells · 13/09/2025 21:35

I used a condom with my long term partner. Unfortunately it split so I took myself off to get the morning after pill - within 12 hours. It wasnt effective and I became pregnant so had a medical termination.

So your very idealistic version of what women should do didn't work for me, but do tell me what you think I should have done . . .

Condoms aren't reliable.

Gloriia · 13/09/2025 21:37

Coconutter24 · 13/09/2025 21:30

At 20 weeks you can still have an abortion healthy baby or unhealthy baby. At 24 weeks it becomes illegal unless there’s medical reasons

That is just so wrong. Medical reasons only after the first trimester should be the rule.

RedSkyatNight25 · 13/09/2025 21:37

Firefly1987 · 13/09/2025 20:38

The female body will naturally abort a foetus. Miscarriage is fairly common. What do you think about that? If it's so wrong why does the human body do it?

I’m pro choice but that’s a dumb argument.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:37

WishinAndHopin · 13/09/2025 21:26

I am against abortion used as contraception or for convenience. If you don't want to have a baby, then don't get pregnant.

Like it or not abortion kills unique, irreplaceable human life and many people are always going to be uncomfortable with that being taken lightly. This human life did not ask to be put there and does not deserve to be killed, or to suffer in surgical abortions.

OP you are extremely unreasonable. Women are allowed to have different opinions to you.

You are also unreasonable for bringing adoption and the care system into this. It's irrelevant as most of these would have been wanted pregnancies; abortion is accessible here. To mention this is manipulative - and insulting for any pro-life former looked-after children, who you are essentially saying would be better off dead.

It’s entirely relevant to being in the care system because without legal abortion it would be burdened further

So do you think women who do take contraception should be able to access abortions? It’s not clear

Balayagequeen · 13/09/2025 21:37

Invigoron · 13/09/2025 21:30

You say : “If abortion was ever restricted in the western world then…
It is restricted in a sense in the western world as most European countries don’t allow after 14 weeks unless severe complications or mother’s health at risk. I think UK & NL are exceptions with abortion allowed at up to about 23 weeks?

Edited

Ok I’m not immediately familiar with the abortion laws in every country,

My understanding is that women can access abortion at least up until a certain point in the majority of western civilisation.

So yes I understand that abortion is restricted already.

What I mean is if it was either banned altogether or severely restricted much more than it already is.

OP posts:
PrincessofWells · 13/09/2025 21:37

WishinAndHopin · 13/09/2025 21:36

Condoms aren't reliable.

Really? 😂

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:38

WishinAndHopin · 13/09/2025 21:27

Why did you get pregnant if you didn't want a baby?

I’m not sure @Balayagequeen has but why does it matter? What’s it to you if someone did?

Coconutter24 · 13/09/2025 21:38

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:32

Pro life people are all about the right of the fetus to have a life.

But they don’t mean quality of life, or safety of the mother or baby - they mean passing through the birth canal and taking a breath. If they were concerned about quality of life, they wouldn’t want the forced birth of thousands of babies who will be born into poverty or the care system. The Ultimate Goal in outlawing safe abortion is for a baby to be born - even if they’re born into a really shit life.

I want to know why that is the Ultimate Goal. Why does this goal come at the expense of safe women and children, of women’s lives and children’s quality of life? Why it is THAT important?

I can’t answer that because I’m not pro life. I am to an extent but equally I wouldn’t stand for a law that puts a mothers life at risk or brings a severely disabled child into the world that will have no quality of life

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 13/09/2025 21:39

Invigoron · 13/09/2025 21:30

You say : “If abortion was ever restricted in the western world then…
It is restricted in a sense in the western world as most European countries don’t allow after 14 weeks unless severe complications or mother’s health at risk. I think UK & NL are exceptions with abortion allowed at up to about 23 weeks?

Edited

The UK and The Netherlands are the outliers by a considerable margin as both allow up to 24 weeks. I've no desire to the UK's law changed.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:39

Lelophants · 13/09/2025 21:28

The embryo ve toddler question which Ive already answered. No one is saying embryos in a lab are worth more than a toddler.

That hasn’t answered my question

Why did Savita Halappanavar die?

Invigoron · 13/09/2025 21:40

GleisZwei · 13/09/2025 21:33

Nobody said only the potential mother is affected, but it's her body!

It’s still the mother’s body at 24 weeks in UK, but abortion then isn’t allowed. Do you think that law is acceptable to women whose body it is? What about the 14 week cut off in almost every other European country except UK & NL?
Which law is correct for the foetus?
I don’t know the answer. Just asking questions .

Lelophants · 13/09/2025 21:40

Balayagequeen · 13/09/2025 21:34

No one ever answers that do they?

Because a life is better than no life. Everyone deserves a chance. And absolutely women and childrens lives need to be made better. People like Trump are disgusting.

Butchyrestingface · 13/09/2025 21:40

It’s always privileged men too.

I grew up Catholic and my church and state school was overrun by pro-life women/girls.

I don't imagine either church or school have changed their official stance in the 30 years since but it would be interesting to know what the general view was at grassroots level.

AmpleLilacQuail · 13/09/2025 21:40

Not sure if I would have an abortion but 100% support a women’s right to choose.

We have to remember that even if abortion is criminalised, women will still have them, they’ll just be much more unsafe.

I also always wonder what people who are staunchly anti-abortion think about binning unused embryos from fertility clinics, as these could be potential babies too?

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:41

Silvers11 · 13/09/2025 21:29

Too late for me too, if I'm honest. I know someone who gave birth to a baby at 23 weeks +3 days. Baby survived and is doing well and is now at school

That’s lovely! And aligns with the pro choice crowd because she CHOSE to have that baby

Notbing to do with another woman’s baby

Coconutter24 · 13/09/2025 21:42

Gloriia · 13/09/2025 21:37

That is just so wrong. Medical reasons only after the first trimester should be the rule.

I could never have one that late. I wouldn’t have one past 6 weeks but that’s just me. However I’ve never been in a position to need or want one so I don’t know that I actually could go through with it at all.

Lelophants · 13/09/2025 21:42

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:39

That hasn’t answered my question

Why did Savita Halappanavar die?

Because she wasnt granted an abortion when her life was in danger? No one on this thred thinks thats ok.

WishinAndHopin · 13/09/2025 21:42

Changednamesforthis123 · 13/09/2025 21:29

I am pro choice.

For those who are not, how do you feel about things like the two child benefit cap? You happy to see an unwanted baby born into poverty and possible neglect due to the mother not wanting it and not having been able to afford it?

What is your answer to the many men who just walk away from pregnant women/newborn babies and offer no support? Where do they factor in the forced pregnancy?

Are you stepping into the breach and helping to finance/raise these babies or are you also talking about “feckless single mums” in the same breath and berating people who have more children than they can afford?

Yes, lives matter, but think sometimes what a determination to force women into giving birth will mean for that life after. A mother who didn’t want a baby but was forced to have it is not going to look at that baby and fall in love most probably. She’s going to resent it.

Unless you are willing to pick up the costs for these babies or are going to adopt all these babies then your argument is kind of moot.

Life May began at conception, in your eyes, but it’s not just about forcing them to have it, it’s about all the years of life after.

"Unless you are willing to pick up the costs for these babies or are going to adopt all these babies then your argument is kind of moot."

If you're pro-choice as you claim - and not just pro-abortion - then your side is equally responsible for supporting women who choose to continue their pregnancies in adverse circumstances.

I am pro anything that supports mothers and their children.

What is your opinion on forced and coerced abortions? For example, on this website, the many posts encouraging mothers to force their pregnant teenage daughters to abort.

PrincessofWells · 13/09/2025 21:43

@WishinAndHopin the law of England and Wales does not recognise a fetus as life until it has exited the birth canal and taken a breath so your argument is spurious and nonsensical.

Firefly1987 · 13/09/2025 21:43

RedSkyatNight25 · 13/09/2025 21:37

I’m pro choice but that’s a dumb argument.

Why? Something about god's will no doubt 🙄

ArmySurplusHamster · 13/09/2025 21:43

WhatAboutThisUser · 13/09/2025 21:26

If there were two women who were identical twins; one was 9 months pregnant and the other wasn’t pregnant, and you had no other information, which one would you save?

The lighter one.

Lelophants · 13/09/2025 21:44

WishinAndHopin · 13/09/2025 21:42

"Unless you are willing to pick up the costs for these babies or are going to adopt all these babies then your argument is kind of moot."

If you're pro-choice as you claim - and not just pro-abortion - then your side is equally responsible for supporting women who choose to continue their pregnancies in adverse circumstances.

I am pro anything that supports mothers and their children.

What is your opinion on forced and coerced abortions? For example, on this website, the many posts encouraging mothers to force their pregnant teenage daughters to abort.

There are a number of people who felt pressured to abort, especially with the whole “clump of cells” comments.

Lelophants · 13/09/2025 21:44

ArmySurplusHamster · 13/09/2025 21:43

The lighter one.

Seriously? That’s genuinely disturbing.

Maray1967 · 13/09/2025 21:44

Lelophants · 13/09/2025 19:22

Charlie kirk said if his daughter was raped aged 10 he’d get her to deliver the baby 😳 I guess he’d do everything he could to get the baby out as soon as possible and by c section under GA. But in his eyes, the
trauma of rape isnt going to be made better by killing another baby. It was shocking to watch him say it though.

It was and is disgusting.

No good parent thinks it is acceptable to force a girl to carry to term and deliver.

chaosmaker · 13/09/2025 21:45

TeaAndMuffins · 13/09/2025 19:28

"An abortion is a very safe, simple procedure"

Not for the baby it isn't

there is no baby, only an unwanted part of the woman's body.

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