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To be saddened that anyone would want to take away a woman’s right to safe abortion?

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Balayagequeen · 13/09/2025 14:48

It makes me sad and angry that there are so many people who believe that a woman’s right to a termination is up for debate/political football.

It’s always privileged men too.

No woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy that she doesn’t want.

An abortion is a very safe, simple procedure, it’s a personal and private choice, it’s discreet, no one is ramming it down anyone else’s throat or trying to persuade others to do it. The vast majority of the time is done very early on in the pregnancy. Evidence shows that there are no long term negative physical or mental effects on the woman.

As someone who works for children’s services, there are already far too many children in the care system and they can end up deeply traumatised, and having poor outcomes in life, adoptions often don’t work out and even when they do can be extremely traumatic for both the mother and child. That is not to take away from all of the wonderful adoptive parents and foster carers, but please let’s not romanticise it.

Most adoptions are because the birth parents are unable to care for the child, not because the mother willingly gave the baby up. Therefore to force a woman to give birth would potentially be the worse option for the woman, the child and any existing siblings. It isn’t a fairytale ending where a woman willingly gives up her baby to a loving couple to live happily ever after.

There are babies conceived in poverty, domestic abuse, rape, teenage pregnancies, older age pregnancies. These women should not be forced to give birth, it is not the better option for anyone.

If abortion was ever restricted in the western world then I have no doubt that it would result in unsafe illegal abortions, risking the woman’s life.

Women take all the risk with pregnancy and childbirth. They take an enormous toll on a woman body, her mental health, her life outcomes. We are not living in the dark ages, women deserve the choice.

What right does any privileged male who has probably never experienced any of these things and has probably done very little child rearing, who can never conceive or give birth, have to try to restrict a women’s access to abortion?

Are they themselves going to care for the babies born? Or will they expect that someone else will do it?

OP posts:
Account734 · 13/09/2025 21:20

BIWI · 13/09/2025 19:12

He obviously does have a right to be upset. But she has the right to make a choice about her body.

Edited

At five months? That is disgusting!

Lelophants · 13/09/2025 21:21

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:19

So you agree that Savita Halappanavar should have died? That it was the right thing to do?

And who would you save in a fire - 100 embryos or a three year old child? Surely it would be the 100 embryos?

You are so illogical.

Goodygummdrops · 13/09/2025 21:21

Balayagequeen · 13/09/2025 20:52

Are you saying that taking a tablet to end a pregnancy that will feel like little more than a heavy period. And carrying a baby to full term giving birth bringing to a baby that will then need parenting for the rest of your life are the same?

The former is not forced birth.

No that isn't what I'm saying. I think you already know that isn't what I'm saying though.

Anyway, your response makes me wonder how familiar you are with abortion procedures (amongst other things).

BluntPlumHam · 13/09/2025 21:21

You can be against the idea of abortion but also want it to be legal and available because that’s choice.

HeyThereDelila · 13/09/2025 21:21

Pills by post needs to stop and abortion should not have been decriminalised.

Coconutter24 · 13/09/2025 21:22

ChristmasMiracleBaby · 13/09/2025 20:43

I'm not anti abortion but there definitely needs to be a cut off, imo after the 20 week scan with a healthy fetus.
Any point after 24 weeks you are just killing a baby.. Unless there is a good reason for it e.g incompatibility with life or risk to the mothers life.

There is a legal cut off in the uk, it’s 23 weeks and 6 days. Far to late for me personally but the laws the law

Diggersandunicorns · 13/09/2025 21:23

I really hope anyone who feels strongly anti abortion spend their energy on the subject trying to improve maternity rights, maternity pay, healthcare, CMS payments and state benefits for mothers. And campaign against extortionate housing costs, childcare costs and food costs. And believe that men should be legally forced to take more responsibility for the children they co-create.

Make it easier for women to raise children they’re not sure they can. Actually support them to do so. Don’t go on about how women need to make sacrifices. Provide the carrot. Don’t be a massive stick.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:23

Slightyamusedandsilly · 13/09/2025 21:14

I am anti abortion. For me. For anyone else, I'm pro choice. My opinion should not trump your right to bodily autonomy.

Yes I feel this way. I wouldn’t have an abortion (except for medical reasons). Getting pregnant now at almost 40 with 2 kids would be my idea of hell but I’d crack on.

I absolutely will defend the right for another woman to make a different choice though

Lelophants · 13/09/2025 21:23

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:16

Killing, abortion, whatever word you want to use. It doesn’t matter. That fetus, baby (whatever you want to use) doesn’t matter as much as the woman carrying it. Simples

Doesn’t matter as much to you.

Goodygummdrops · 13/09/2025 21:23

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 20:53

It’s expelled.

Dont get too bogged down in semantics

Erm, OK... It's doesn't avoid the forced expelling.

Balayagequeen · 13/09/2025 21:24

Goodygummdrops · 13/09/2025 21:21

No that isn't what I'm saying. I think you already know that isn't what I'm saying though.

Anyway, your response makes me wonder how familiar you are with abortion procedures (amongst other things).

I’m very familiar actually.

And it’s nothing remotely like giving birth.

OP posts:
LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:24

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 13/09/2025 21:15

I was pro choice until I had my own pregnancies and children. Now I see my children and how they grew from an embryo to this, I don’t agree with abortion. If a woman is raped or has medical reasons for not being able to continue a pregnancy, of course this is completely different. But I do think that it’s not a good reflection on society when women can abort a pregnancy because it doesn’t suit them - not to be flippant but in my opinion this is just a lack of responsibility to have gotten pregnant in the first place. I understand there are contraception failures etc which then again is a different story and I don’t agree with a total ban on abortion but I do think it’s sad how women, on here at least, seem to be so blasé and supportive of abortion in any circumstance. I also think the abortion limit should be much, much earlier, other than for medical reasons. Oh and I am female

So you think women who’ve been raped should be able to get an abortion?

How do you think this would work in practice if all other abortion is outlawed?

GleisZwei · 13/09/2025 21:25

Coconutter24 · 13/09/2025 21:22

There is a legal cut off in the uk, it’s 23 weeks and 6 days. Far to late for me personally but the laws the law

Is that not related to the 20 week anomaly scan, where serious life-threatening conditions may be detected?

Lelophants · 13/09/2025 21:25

Coconutter24 · 13/09/2025 21:22

There is a legal cut off in the uk, it’s 23 weeks and 6 days. Far to late for me personally but the laws the law

you can still have one after with two dr sign offs though! Mental or physical health reasons, whatever that may be.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:25

Lelophants · 13/09/2025 21:20

Nope! Never said that. Always made it very clear those are obvious exceptions ffs.

Edited

Except that if you consider a 25 week old fetus the same a human in a legal sense, the women would die.

Its why Savita Halappanavar died

Coconutter24 · 13/09/2025 21:25

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:17

I REALLY wish someone would answer my Ultimate Goal question. I’m amazed none of the pro life crowd have acknowledged or answered it

What is your ultimate goal question?

BeRoseSloth · 13/09/2025 21:26

ThejoyofNC · 13/09/2025 19:06

I'm anti abortion and I'm not a man.

Then don’t have one?

WhatAboutThisUser · 13/09/2025 21:26

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:19

So you agree that Savita Halappanavar should have died? That it was the right thing to do?

And who would you save in a fire - 100 embryos or a three year old child? Surely it would be the 100 embryos?

If there were two women who were identical twins; one was 9 months pregnant and the other wasn’t pregnant, and you had no other information, which one would you save?

WishinAndHopin · 13/09/2025 21:26

I am against abortion used as contraception or for convenience. If you don't want to have a baby, then don't get pregnant.

Like it or not abortion kills unique, irreplaceable human life and many people are always going to be uncomfortable with that being taken lightly. This human life did not ask to be put there and does not deserve to be killed, or to suffer in surgical abortions.

OP you are extremely unreasonable. Women are allowed to have different opinions to you.

You are also unreasonable for bringing adoption and the care system into this. It's irrelevant as most of these would have been wanted pregnancies; abortion is accessible here. To mention this is manipulative - and insulting for any pro-life former looked-after children, who you are essentially saying would be better off dead.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:26

Lelophants · 13/09/2025 21:21

You are so illogical.

Not at all!

Why do you think she died?

Coconutter24 · 13/09/2025 21:27

GleisZwei · 13/09/2025 21:25

Is that not related to the 20 week anomaly scan, where serious life-threatening conditions may be detected?

No that’s after 24 weeks. An abortion after 24 weeks can be done if it puts the mother at risk or the baby has a severe disability

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:27

Lelophants · 13/09/2025 21:23

Doesn’t matter as much to you.

No doesn’t matter in a moral or legal sense.

Unless you really fucking hate women, you should value them more than a fetus

WishinAndHopin · 13/09/2025 21:27

Balayagequeen · 13/09/2025 21:24

I’m very familiar actually.

And it’s nothing remotely like giving birth.

Why did you get pregnant if you didn't want a baby?

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 13/09/2025 21:28

Goodygummdrops · 13/09/2025 21:23

Erm, OK... It's doesn't avoid the forced expelling.

Well, it’s not the same as birth is it. Because the baby isn’t born.

Duh

GleisZwei · 13/09/2025 21:28

Coconutter24 · 13/09/2025 21:27

No that’s after 24 weeks. An abortion after 24 weeks can be done if it puts the mother at risk or the baby has a severe disability

Hmmmm, I thought it was related to that too.

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