To be saddened that anyone would want to take away a woman’s right to safe abortion?

[Balayagequeen]

It makes me sad and angry that there are so many people who believe that a woman’s right to a termination is up for debate/political football.

It’s always privileged men too.

No woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy that she doesn’t want.

An abortion is a very safe, simple procedure, it’s a personal and private choice, it’s discreet, no one is ramming it down anyone else’s throat or trying to persuade others to do it. The vast majority of the time is done very early on in the pregnancy. Evidence shows that there are no long term negative physical or mental effects on the woman.

As someone who works for children’s services, there are already far too many children in the care system and they can end up deeply traumatised, and having poor outcomes in life, adoptions often don’t work out and even when they do can be extremely traumatic for both the mother and child. That is not to take away from all of the wonderful adoptive parents and foster carers, but please let’s not romanticise it.

Most adoptions are because the birth parents are unable to care for the child, not because the mother willingly gave the baby up. Therefore to force a woman to give birth would potentially be the worse option for the woman, the child and any existing siblings. It isn’t a fairytale ending where a woman willingly gives up her baby to a loving couple to live happily ever after.

There are babies conceived in poverty, domestic abuse, rape, teenage pregnancies, older age pregnancies. These women should not be forced to give birth, it is not the better option for anyone.

If abortion was ever restricted in the western world then I have no doubt that it would result in unsafe illegal abortions, risking the woman’s life.

Women take all the risk with pregnancy and childbirth. They take an enormous toll on a woman body, her mental health, her life outcomes. We are not living in the dark ages, women deserve the choice.

What right does any privileged male who has probably never experienced any of these things and has probably done very little child rearing, who can never conceive or give birth, have to try to restrict a women’s access to abortion?

Are they themselves going to care for the babies born? Or will they expect that someone else will do it?

Yeah, its rather sad, especially for those that found out late that their child was going to be severely ill

Fewer abortions due to not being pregnant in the first place OR being able to have wanted children would be ideal

I find it very frustrating that incest (usually involving young vulnerable girls) and rape are so frequently given as examples. We all know that those make up a tiny proportion of the abortions that are carried out.

But it matters because we HAVE to consider the most vulnerable. Not to mention these “tiny proportion” are actual human beings in awful situations and if they were forced to give birth it gives their abuser so much more power that lasts forever.

I agree with you. And if their advice was followed and she didn't get an abortion and the mom struggled to cope. The child would likely grow up disadvantaged or turn to crime. I hope the same people would recognize that she went with their advice and has now ended up in poor circumstances, I hope that they would help when she is exhausted and broke and that they would help the teen when they resort to antisocial behaviour rather than avoid or criticise them

I'm pro-choice.
I struggle to understand why anyone would take any other stance tbh.

No, we don't. As evidence, I offer myself. Pregnancy would be dangerous for me but I cannot get sterilised because I am too young and "might want to have children". And I am not the only woman in this situation.

I would also argue that we don't have great sex education, decent childcare, support for women leaving abusive relationships and men taking responsibility for children they've created.

Where do you stand on what the law should be?

I m pro choice however some people do it willy nilly instead of taking contraceptive or condoms. I actually know of 2 people who did this as though they were going for a coffee.
The health service need to really ask more questions snd get people to think about things.
I unfortunately had an abortion because whilst I was pregnant I found out my partner cheated with an escort and it turned my relationship upside down .
I still struggle with the decision I made and I often have immense guilt.
It's not always black and white for people.

You’ve hit the nail on the head.

So many (not all) anti choicers want to phish women for being sexual.

No, my point was that I DON'T believe they're separate classes.

Not to mention completely ignoring or outright denying the points I made. I mean, thinking that there is such a thing as perfect contraception is just deluded. My circle of friends is not massive. And yet two of them, using double contraception, had an unplanned pregnancy (which they chose to keep, but that is immaterial).

But the forced birthers do end to be prone to black and white simplistic thinking.

You’ll know loads. They just won’t be telling you.

I'm also UK. How sad, especially for those that had to take the decision due to severe medical issues

And yet you seem to want to imply it’s the belief of anyone on this thread who doesn’t believe in abortion up to birth.

Nope. Not quite. Ending the life of a person is considered wrong and is illegal. That's an important distinction. The fact that a life form has human characteristics does not make it a person. That's why it is legal to terminate somebody who is brain dead. He/she was a person but no longer is.
A fetus has the potential to become a person. Why is it wrong to destroy mere potential as opposed to a person?

Yes, it is about emotion, but do you not think people should base their beliefs on reason? Imagine the utter hell that would result from basing laws on the feelings of the ones with power rather than reason. Case in point; Afghanistan.

And not 100% proof

And in the instant where it fail or just isn’t used, abortion is a safe and legal alter rove to parenthood. Thank god

So you think that a fetus aged 24 weeks+ should be considered the same as a newborn?

So you’d be happy for a woman to die if carrying on a 25 week pregnancy would kill her?

Because you’re making a woman (only women can get pregnant) a second class citizen to an unborn child.

Honestly this post says it all - did you forget about the woman? Who did you think carried pregnancy, a dolly?

I am anti abortion. For me. For anyone else, I'm pro choice. My opinion should not trump your right to bodily autonomy.

Because the woman’s human life matters more.

I was pro choice until I had my own pregnancies and children. Now I see my children and how they grew from an embryo to this, I don’t agree with abortion. If a woman is raped or has medical reasons for not being able to continue a pregnancy, of course this is completely different. But I do think that it’s not a good reflection on society when women can abort a pregnancy because it doesn’t suit them - not to be flippant but in my opinion this is just a lack of responsibility to have gotten pregnant in the first place. I understand there are contraception failures etc which then again is a different story and I don’t agree with a total ban on abortion but I do think it’s sad how women, on here at least, seem to be so blasé and supportive of abortion in any circumstance. I also think the abortion limit should be much, much earlier, other than for medical reasons. Oh and I am female

Killing, abortion, whatever word you want to use. It doesn’t matter. That fetus, baby (whatever you want to use) doesn’t matter as much as the woman carrying it. Simples

If abortion was ever restricted in the western world then I have no doubt that it would result in unsafe illegal abortions, risking the woman’s life.

You do realise @Balayagequeen that this is already happening in the USA? They are part of the Western World as I understand it. And it is awful, I do agree

I REALLY wish someone would answer my Ultimate Goal question. I’m amazed none of the pro life crowd have acknowledged or answered it

So you agree that Savita Halappanavar should have died? That it was the right thing to do?

And who would you save in a fire - 100 embryos or a three year old child? Surely it would be the 100 embryos?

Nope! Never said that. Always made it very clear those are obvious exceptions ffs.