To be saddened that anyone would want to take away a woman’s right to safe abortion?

[Balayagequeen]

It makes me sad and angry that there are so many people who believe that a woman’s right to a termination is up for debate/political football.

It’s always privileged men too.

No woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy that she doesn’t want.

An abortion is a very safe, simple procedure, it’s a personal and private choice, it’s discreet, no one is ramming it down anyone else’s throat or trying to persuade others to do it. The vast majority of the time is done very early on in the pregnancy. Evidence shows that there are no long term negative physical or mental effects on the woman.

As someone who works for children’s services, there are already far too many children in the care system and they can end up deeply traumatised, and having poor outcomes in life, adoptions often don’t work out and even when they do can be extremely traumatic for both the mother and child. That is not to take away from all of the wonderful adoptive parents and foster carers, but please let’s not romanticise it.

Most adoptions are because the birth parents are unable to care for the child, not because the mother willingly gave the baby up. Therefore to force a woman to give birth would potentially be the worse option for the woman, the child and any existing siblings. It isn’t a fairytale ending where a woman willingly gives up her baby to a loving couple to live happily ever after.

There are babies conceived in poverty, domestic abuse, rape, teenage pregnancies, older age pregnancies. These women should not be forced to give birth, it is not the better option for anyone.

If abortion was ever restricted in the western world then I have no doubt that it would result in unsafe illegal abortions, risking the woman’s life.

Women take all the risk with pregnancy and childbirth. They take an enormous toll on a woman body, her mental health, her life outcomes. We are not living in the dark ages, women deserve the choice.

What right does any privileged male who has probably never experienced any of these things and has probably done very little child rearing, who can never conceive or give birth, have to try to restrict a women’s access to abortion?

Are they themselves going to care for the babies born? Or will they expect that someone else will do it?

Thank you! It’s always made out to be so simplistic by so many posters.

Are you saying that taking a tablet to end a pregnancy that will feel like little more than a heavy period. And carrying a baby to full term giving birth bringing to a baby that will then need parenting for the rest of your life are the same?

The former is not forced birth.

It’s expelled.

Dont get too bogged down in semantics

I'm saddened people want to kill unborn children 🤷

I came to my beliefs after thinking about both sides of the argument. Read both sides, thought about my beliefs and came to my conclusion as to what I find immoral.

A lot of people don't like women having sexual autonomy, controlling whether they have children, or control over their own bodies when it comes down to it, especially when they are pregnant and they just see them as an unimportant vessel.

They just want women to be fertile, docile, to fuck on command and breed only when a man wants them to. Pretty much how it always was until reliable contraception and safe abortion became available.

Because a like has to be drawn somewhere.

Where would you put a fetus woth a newborn? What stage?

I dont think I know anyone who thinks that. Grim! 🤣

Sad but true.

Even sadder that so many women seem to be up for this too.

They are not children.
You can find it immoral and sad without making it illegal

Okay 🤷‍♀️

Of course they can disagree. People should just use valid arguments if they plan on expressing their disagreement, otherwise they'll get nowhere and become frustrated.
The problem is there are no valid anti-choice arguments, which is why these threads always devolve into; "But what about the poor innocent baby!" and similar hyper-emotional pleas.

We have all those things except ' culture where men take responsibility for contraception' so women can either do that themselves or choose their partners carefully.

It is extremely easy to prevent pregnancy. Contraception and the MAP all readily available.

I suppose when it becomes on par with a newborn when it becomes conscious around
24 weeks.

Exactly. It's the same with Trump's 'murica. At the same time 20 states have banned abortion altogether, Trump's administration has gutted children's services (cutting funds and manpower for investigating child abuse, enforcing child support payments, providing child care and much more). They care (allegedly) about babies right up to the moment they're born - then they don't give a damn. The hypocrisy of it all stinks.

If you had read the facts, you would know a fetus has only superficial, irrelevant (in this context) commonalities with a born child and you would not use that word.
I therefore conclude you have not actually read the facts.

How pathetic. Your solution to feckless men is to blame women.

Same.

I recognise the opinion that a foetus is not a fully equal human. Most people are on a spectrum with some thinking it becomes equal at conception, some after birth. To me this is the crux of the whole debate and everything else is noise.

How’s it misogynistic, the balance is the same whether the baby is female or male.

But why isnt this a valid argument? It’s quite
clear. It’s ending a human life. That is the argument. Ending human lives is wrong. And yes people will also feel sad about it. It’s all emotive.

Well it’s not when all they say is “I’m anti-abortion”

I feel quite conflicted about abortion, I do believe it’s a baby at conception and I find the prospect of ending a life terribly sad. I lost a baby at 8 weeks and believe I suffered a loss of a soul/child. I had an ectopic pregnancy so I struggle with the notion it might have been a healthy baby but just implanted in the wrong place. I also struggle when people say it’s just a clump of cells.

But I also believe abortion is sometimes the right choice and personally think it needs to be a conversation between a woman and her medical advisor. I wouldn’t stop abortion, and think it’s important the right to have one is protected.

I hate this with a passion and this is one if my
many issues with the states that have done this.

We don't have all those things!

Childcare in the UK is among the most expensive in Europe.
People are still allowed to opt out of sex education, it is delivered far too late and in not enough depth.
We do not have failsafe contraception - no such thing exists.
Our welfare system is among the least generous in Europe.
Support for women leaving abusive relationships is DIRE.
Women of childbearing age are ROUTINELY refused sterilisation.
Men routinely get away with not paying child support.

What Utopian bit of the UK do you actually live in???

That’s totally okay you don’t have to have one

Pro-abortion people always come out with these lists of utilitarian arguments in at attempt to avoid the central, moral, one. It's killing. We don't advocate killing adults if they're in an environment where there's not enough work or housing to go around or they live in a famine zone or whatever. Dress it up or try to deflect from it all day long, it's taking a human life.

I'm not trying to adopt myself, no. But millions are, usually with a preference for babies, and there aren't nearly enough to go around. Millions of babies killed, while meanwhile millions of adults bankrupt themselves with IVF and the like. Obscenity.

Why get so angry about people (men and women) having a different view to you? You've got what you want; abortion is easy in the UK, there's very little public appetite for changing it, and it's not going to change. If you honestly have no guilty conscience, don't believe it's wrong, don't believe it's even a moral issue at all, why be so bothered by a minority of people telling you otherwise?