To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

[DorothyGaleFromKansas]

With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

My point, very simply, is that you cannot endorse, support and defend racist, misogynist bigots like Trump and Kirk and claim to be a feminist.

But who is doing this?

Most of the FWR regulars feel disenfranchised by both left and right.

Tell me you haven’t bothered to read all the replies to your frothy thread you started without telling me you haven’t bothered.

The biggest anti-woman brigade are the ones who think men should be able to change in front of teenage girls and take places in women’s sports. Slow hand clap for you and this ‘progressiveness’. Yawn. You are in the minority, thankfully.

Another reminder that trans people aren’t a homogenous group, and they have the same rights as everyone else. Like men, there are good and bad ones, like men, they should stay out of spaces not for them, including the good ones.

Away back to Reddit and hand over the ‘it’s your turn to exclaim they’re all anti-trans!’ baton to someone else. Preferably someone who can actually address and argue effectively points put to them.

It would seem so. To prop up her luxury belief.

So many posters have been doing this - I was on the original thread that inspired the OP to create this one.

I don’t care about labelling things ‘left’ and ‘right’ it’s just more division. I care about not endorsing and supporting those with abhorrent views which damage women and society as a whole, just because they align with you on one issue. It is not even genuine alignment. Trump et al don’t give a shiny shit about women’s rights. He just knows that he will get more votes by pretending he does, and the trans debate is a vehicle for this.

No one here thinks Trump actually cares about women’s rights. Nor do other politicians.

Why is it that you think he’ll get more votes for opposing the trans agenda exactly @Plastictreees?

used by the anti trans lot

Sigh. We are not 'anti trans'. We are PRO-WOMEN!!

Which posters though. I haven't seen much of this.

Hard agree with the OP. I've found the number of so-called 'feminists' who've been lionising CK after his death disturbing. The man wasn't GC, he was anti-trans. They're not the same thing, and he was also a white nationalist, misogynist and homophobe and frankly a massive prick. Awful he was murdered and in front of his kids, but he wasn't a good man or a friend to women.

His death is just a really clear illustration of how (some) gender critical feminists have morphed into out and out conservatives. KJKM being on the Tommy Robinson rally being another. Repeat: these people are not friends to women. They'd have our rights in a heartbeat.

It's not just about "the cubicle". Women are in a state of partial undress and/or vulnerability in the toilets. We often change out near the sink in the open to go clubbing. Or washing out blood-stained underwear, blouses with baby sick or something else spilled, having a miscarriage, or fleeing to the ladies to escape a man.

It's not about the holy 'cubicle'. It is about far, far, far, far more than that. And a male who "just wants to pee" can pee in the cubicles in the male toilets. Male toilets have cubicles too. Amazing, isn't that? Amazing, hey.

It's all very well snapping trite little soundbites about how the abhorrent view people know what women are so they can abuse and control them, but what the people who want to ignore the impact of trans demands on women's autonomy refuse to admit, and why so many women feel politically homeless, is that if you follow that logic through, you realise that exactly because the Trumps and the Charlie Kirks of this world do see that female people exist and do want to control us because of our biology, we cannot accept excluding the reality of our biology and the social impact it brings from political discourse.

Anyone who says "trans women aren't your problem so just let them do what they want for now" is shouting loud and clear that they don't truly understand the connections between issues like abortion and male violence and women's overall social disempowerment. They see women's political voice and autonomy as a sort of optional add on unconnected to these issues to be considered at a more convenient time as long as we are nice enough in the meantime.

Saying that males are not females is not an endorsement of anything political, on whatever 'wing'.
Males aren't females and therefore can't, if 'Rights' are to have any meaning, have female rights.
Everything being equal (so leaving out specific citizenship questions such as prisoner rights or non-citizen rights) trans-identified males have 1. the same general rights as females, and 2. the added specific rights against discrimination on the basis of gender reassignment.
Females legally have 1. the same general rights as trans-identified males, and 2. the added specific rights against discrimination on the basis of sex.
All that women want is to maintain those sex-based rights, which can't be maintained if they are granted to males. It's really not extreme or revolutionary.

This is a very important point

Sorry but the left’s enthusiasm for Trans rights at the expense of women combined with issues such as the UK government voting to allow abortion up until birth has directly led to this place.

And? There are two women I know of on FWR that were raped in the ladies toilets. Also that 10 year old girl who was attacked by a transwoman in the ladies.

The fact it happens even once is enough to justify a single sex public space. Which does reduce the risk, it really truly does.

There's a group on Facebook claiming to be radical feminists from St Andrews Uni and there has been post after post in support of Charlie Kirk in the last week. Anyone who highlights how problematic his views were to women is immediately shot down.

Laughable and tragic in equal measure.

If you think that the reason Hindu and Muslim women do not bring rape charges against their husbands, fathers and brothers
in the UK
is because its not happening
you REALLY need to give your head a wobble

That seems quite niche and on another platform entirely. Who on here is saying that?

No evidence? Wow, are you ever so woefully uninformed!

So a radical feminist group from a Uni who, because they are supporting a person (who also thinks you can’t change sex and that men shouldn’t go into spaces they shouldn’t) but alongside this has views you don’t agree with, are representative of the people who post on FWR or ‘gender critical’ seeing as knowing biological fact has been given a term.

I’ve lost count of the posters on here, myself included, say they are politically homeless because whilst their backing of sex realism is welcomed, their other policies are not. But that part wouldn’t fit in with the usual tired tropes being thrown out here would it. Hence why it’s being ignored.

The lack of comprehension and critical thinking is what’s laughable and tragic.

It's about MALES, for the last f'ing time!!! MALES. Not 'trans' people. Btw, the evidence and data shows transwomen (males), are FIVE TIMES MORE DANGEROUS THAN 'CIS' MALES.

Personally I dont consider several thousand followers niche and you didnt specify on here only.

I gave an example. People are welcome to look if they choose.

I think some posters find it offensive that some women were entirely shocked by the senseless murder of a political commentator on a university campus, think that violent online rhetoric against people for their opinions, including women who campaign for sex based rights, is out of control, and that people gleefully celebrating a 31 year old man’s brutal, public death is despicable, amoral and can lead to nothing good.

Don't be so ludicrous.

If someone advocates for little girls to have their rapists baby they should not be celebrated on a feminists group simply because they also happen to be in support of single sex spaces.

Anyway, cute as it is for certain posters and OP to rage impotently at women you disapprove of, aren’t you supposed to be trying to understand why women are rejecting the left?