To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

[DorothyGaleFromKansas]

With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5374894-womens-labour-conference-cancelled-because-of-supreme-court-tuling?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

Everybody on my facebook it seems. I'm sick to death of their silly rants pro trans, any bloke who poses a threat to women etc.
Where have all the old school feminists gone? Why are people putting up with this shit? I have no idea.

For me the “trans rights” agenda is a cause that is “clearly anti woman”.

Hello? Hello? Is this thing on?

I'll try again....

It's all very well snapping trite little soundbites about how the abhorrent view people know what women are so they can abuse and control them, but what the people who want to ignore the impact of trans demands on women's autonomy refuse to admit, and why so many women feel politically homeless, is that if you follow that logic through, you realise that exactly because the Trumps and the Charlie Kirks of this world do see that female people exist and do want to control us because of our biology, we cannot accept excluding the reality of our biology and the social impact it brings from political discourse.

Anyone who says "trans women aren't your problem so just let them do what they want for now" is shouting loud and clear that they don't truly understand the connections between issues like abortion and male violence and women's overall social disempowerment. They see women's political voice and autonomy as a sort of optional add on unconnected to these issues to be considered at a more convenient time as long as we are nice enough in the meantime.

I don't see how I can say this any more clearly.

Can you tell me why is it so important to include some men in the group "women" - which is not just not getting round to resolving an existing problem but actively putting resources and political capital into imposing a change that materially disadvantages female people - that the political parties that should be prioritising exactly the things you highlight are instead prioritising trans identifying males' expansion into women's social and political space?

The question should not be "there are more important things to worry about, why can't women just shut up and accept this change?" it should be "there are more important things to worry about, why is it so important to push this change first?"

Forgot one, it also did for John Pesutto, head of the Victorian Liberal Party.

https://thenightly.com.au/politics/australia/moira-deeming-victorian-mp-wins-300000-in-defamation-battle-against-state-liberal-leader-john-pesutto-c-17058764

A decision by the Victorian Liberal Party leader to expel an MP who helped organise a women’s rights rally that was gatecrashed by neo-Nazis backfired spectacularly when he was ordered to pay her $300,000 compensation.

John Pesutto lost a defamation lawsuit on Thursday to Moira Deeming, who became a political martyr for women concerned about transgender rights after Mr Pesutto forced her out of the party.

Blows my god damn mind

Absolutely THIS.

You won't get a straight, honest answer that addresses your actual points, though, @FlirtsWithRhinos

Here you go seeing as you seem to have missed everything that has been happening over the past few years.

https://terfisaslur.com/

A compilation of just some of the death and rape threats to women from the men you are defending.

There is also the raging mob that attacked Kellie-Jay Keen in New Zealand, and the guy who broke an elderly woman’s cheekbone by lunching her.

There are the ‘Decapitate a Terf’, ‘Punch a Terf’ signs and threats that are regularly posted online and irl at events. A man who was imprisoned for 30 years for attempted murder and torturing a teenager and ego removed and ate his own testicles in prison and now calls himself Sarah-Jane was in London with a loudspeaker calling for violence to women hi stand up for our rights.

Strange that you pretend it’s not happening

The number of ethnic minority women raising rape charges against others in their community
has nothing to do with trans identities
and everything to do with
male misogynist attitudes

presuming that rape conviction stats accurately represent rapes carried out
is why I told you to wobble your head.

See also Asian grooming gangs

Exactly.

Thank goodness for some sanity on what has sadly become an echo chamber cess pit of a thread. 👏👏

Out of cusiosity, how does saying you disagree with opinions of a (dead) person slander them? These were Charlie Kirk's opinions. Him being dead should not mean we cant disagree with ideology he was promoting. Can I disagree with Marx or Stalin, despite them being dead, or is it slander too?

What @BundleBoogie said. I can’t take people who don’t even understand the issues seriously when they finger wag at me for talking out of turn.

Its quite obviously not an echo chamber

Why the fuck is my post salmon pink 😳

Would either of you care to actually address some of the points raised, and to say why you think it’s perfectly acceptable to include a particular sub set of men as women? And why you consider it’s not detrimental to women’s rights? And why the left wing misogyny is better than right wing misogyny to the point we should still vote for the left wing parties?

i mean, over on FWR we’ve been dying for someone to actually debate these points from the TRA standpoint. But all we get is #bekind and accusations of being big meanies.

I"m puzzled. What exactly has been said that qualifies the thread as a 'cess pit'?

Ok, granted, I can't see the post you made in reply to mine that seems to have warranted being deleted by MN super swiftly, so I may be lacking a small amount of info, but I really don't see much on the thread that would count as being a 'cess pit', a rather strong term which would denote some really quite severely unsavoury content.

Nah. You just report posts that call you out, rather than form a coherent debate. Free speech for all apart from those who disagree with you!

Absolutely laughable hypocrisy 🤣🤣

To be fair, they wouldn't be deleted if you hadn't broken guidelines.

I’ll cry myself to sleep over that tonight.

I’ve noticed this too, people reporting every single post of someone they disagree with, desperately hoping one will stick.

You just couldn’t resist could you? Coming on here for a quick scold and to try to control the narrative. Who put you in charge of what can be discussed?

Men pretending to be women ARE trying to remove women’s rights by attempting to bully us into accepting them in our SSS and forcing us to treat them as actual women, which they’re not and never will be.

You do understand that those men are slowly eroding the boundaries of women and children by attempting to remove safeguarding? These things don’t happen overnight, they can’t strip us of all of our rights in one fell swoop, but slowly and steadily. And there you are, cheering them on whilst scolding those of us who object.

I mean, it’s very Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump, and they all love the two of them, so at least they are on brand

‘Thank goodness for some sanity on what has sadly become an echo chamber cess pit of a thread.’

@Plastictreees yet here you still are, scolding.