To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

[DorothyGaleFromKansas]

With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

It seems I have my answer. It’s that so many women are preoccupied with their bigotry against transpeople. Unsurprising, if disappointing.

Wow, why did Trump get in? Why are Labour losing support! It’s terrible, what can we do about it!

Women have the legal right to sex specific spaces, on the grounds of safeguarding and their dignity.

On what grounds would anyone argue that one group of men should be able to override these rights? What's the justification?

This is what not listening, not learning looks like everyone

I’m not a bigot and you are not a feminist. “Trans women” are men and a considerable number are the worst, most misogynistic men you’re ever likely to come across. Because “transitioning” is the cheat code to misogyny in many cases.

But why won’t those women support the political parties I do? What can we do about it?

Do you think women have the right to undress in spaces away from men? Do you think if a man says he's a woman then he is one? Do you know that 98% of sexual offenders are male and that men who identify as women retain a male pattern of violent and sexual offending? It is not bigotry to stand up for women's rights.

ah, the irony 🤣 Whilst you completely ignore the actual data about rape and assault.

What data is she ignoring?

Oh I know, I'll call them all bigots and 'phobes' and make out they're lunatics for wanting to enforce their established legal provisions.

That oughta do it

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No. I am absolutely not a feminist anymore. Not since it got warped by hate for one of the most vulnerable demographics in society.

What data?

In what way are men 'the most vulnerable'?

Do these men look vulnerable?

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How are these men vulnerable? Many of them have mental health issues, certainly, but do you think having all men with mental health issues in female only spaces is a good idea, or just ones in this group?

Please answer this @DorothyGaleFromKansas

Do you know which group of people are more vulnerable? Female people.

AIBU to be alarmed at the OP for throwing support behind at least one cause which is clearly anti-woman?

You’re literally proving my point. Hate at a minority is not a good look, and focusing on it is to the detriment of feminism and women’s safety. But froth away if it makes you happy.

Women are vulnerable. Men aren’t a vulnerable group just because they put a dress on.

This whole thread is you frothing at other women 🤣

Froth froth froth. Do carry on. Trans people being able to pee in the bathroom is the source of all your problems. Absolutely.

PS, I don’t “hate” men, however they dress. I just don’t believe they are women.

You wrote an entirely hyperbolic frothing OP talking about other women you disapprove of, mate. Froth froth froth at the women who have boundaries.

Absolutely no one said this.

So why are you misrepresenting us?

However, it is our legal right to not have men in women's facilities. Why don't you think we should be standing up for that right?

The anti-trans sentiment (obsession) on MN has fully alienated me from anyone who calls themself a feminist. That MN posters obsessively argue that conflicts with trans rights is hugely more important than all other issues (all other issues combined!) that affect women differently from men is unhinged and possibly overt cultural & political manipulation by some nefarious parties. I'm never too sure.

Can't agree with OP treating women as one homog group nor that many of the decisions what is in female best interests are "clear". A lot of people like defined gender (sex) roles, and even see strictly defined roles as the safest way for human societies to function. Isn't that a strong theme in many fundy religions? "God likes it this way" would be their answer to OP.