To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

[DorothyGaleFromKansas]

With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

I agree with you there.

The way you keep attacking me is becoming quite obsessive and creepy. I am going to get off this thread because you are , frankly, becoming weird. What I just said to somebody else has absolutely nothing to do with you. I didnt even mention you, so why you are cutting in and making it your business, I simply don't know. Go away.

It's a discussion forum not a private chat.

Someone commenting on your public statements about a hot topic of public discussion political climate of the country we both live in on a publicly visible discussion board is not "stalking" you.

You make bad arguments. I challenge them. That's all. Nothing personal.

I'm sorry if you have somehow been lead to believe otherwise, but you do not get to make statements others disagree on a public discussion board and expect not be to challenged on them.

Listening to what? Listen to them spout hatred and lies? Why? As said before, I have had conversations in the past and people do not wish to look at facts, whatsoever.

Well you will get precisely nowhere with them then

Bit like here with you. You're not listening in the slightest.

So if you can’t define a woman, how can you say Trump and Farage are bad for women particularly? If you can’t define woman, how can you fight for women’s rights? I think the left and the right both hate women. Neither side actually cares what happens to women, they just don’t believe women should have rights.

I've heard you loud and clear 👍

Neither Clinton nor Obama ever had enough Senate seats to avoid the filibuster
and Abortion and Gun Control would DEFINITELY have been filibustered.

Exactly.

But you haven't, whatsoever, otherwise you'd not keep telling me to listen to views without reading that said I have tried talking to people in the past.

But your attitude towards these people totally sucks. Your contempt is clear. 🤷‍♀️

“Talking to” is not “listening”.

Indeed. A crucial distinction.

How was that 'slander'?

Completely agree with you OP. It’s like some women have watched or read The Handmaid’s Tale and thought it all sounded like a really good idea. People like Farage and Trump are, imo, a much bigger threat to women and women’s rights than the trans community.

Oh, by 'listening' you mean agreeing? Right... you are one of those.

How? Can you explain your reasoning? How is women not being able to have single sex spaces and sports better than women not being able to have an abortion when they choose? If you can’t define what a woman is, how can you fight for women’s rights?

I agree @Namelessnelly - it’s fucking horrendous for women whichever way you look politically, however pivotal to women having rights is knowing what a woman is in the first instance & that starts with defining one.

As you may have gathered from my posts, I live in a Reform area. I hear the conversations of the women around me. They are worried about housing, jobs, school uniform affordability, kids getting sucked into gangs, knife crime, ambulance response times. These are their real and present worries. Whether upskirting is a crime or not is a luxury worry that does not enter their consideration of who to vote for.

both Labour and the tories have failed these areas so why on earth should the women here believe them when they say “don’t vote for Farage because he’s a bad’un”. As far as they’re concerned the mainstream parties have lied to them for years, so why should they believe them now? In fact, the reform voters’ logic is that if Labour and Tories are saying Reform is Bad, that actually must mean Reform are Good and the others just don’t want you to know about it because they’re Lying McLyingface and just in it for the power and money. Farage speaks their language and it’s actually a positive thing that the Reform voters feel someone can represent them rather than being totally disenfranchised. It’s up to the rest of us to demonstrate why Reform policies won’t work while speaking in the same language.

I think condemning a (hypothetical) 10 year old rape victim to childbirth and motherhood by making abortion completely illegal is a much more serious and dangerous issue than whether I’m in a toilet cubicle next to someone who was born male who also just wants to have a piss in peace.

You have your opinion and I have mine.

Alarmed? Most of them are a bit thick.

What about a woman incarcerated with a man in prison? Thats a bit different to toilets, no?

If your spoken comprehension skills are the same as your written comprehension skills, I can see why you’re struggling to have conversations with people who disagree with you.

Exactly this.

If the establishment parties have never done a thing for you (at least that's how you perceive it), then of course you're going to give those positioning themselves as the anti-establishment a go.

And no, many of them aren't stupid, they get that Farage is out for himself, but they don't feel they have anything to lose, so they might as well give him a go. It's exactly the same dynamic that led to Trump getting in.

Throw in the smug lefties calling them thick, then it's a slam dunk.

This is not rocket science people. If you want to stop it, then parties like Labour need to start properly engaging with their working g class base again. Before that connection disappears entirely.