To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

[DorothyGaleFromKansas]

With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

Of course Trump doesn’t care about women’s rights. But neither does Kamala.

There were only two choices for women in the US: I’d say Dumb or Dumber, but perhaps Shit or Shitter would be more apt.

There wasn’t a good choice available.

Another brilliant contribution from you, thanks 👏

Yes, this isn’t an issue with trans people. It’s an issue with MEN. Males in female spaces - where they shouldn’t be. Very few people are worried about trans men being in women’s spaces as they are biologically female and as such pose no extra risk.

In a sense I agree with you but it's all distraction. The vast majority of woman won't be attacked by a transgender person using the ladies toilets. If someone wants to be violent against women they will be no matter what the setting. But having your rights to have an abortion will effect thousands of woman etc. I know it's more nuanced than that but people really need to look carefully at all policies before voting rather than hearing one thing that they agree with without educating themselves on all the other things that that will entail. It would be great if all voters had to watch a video or something that truthfully and clearly outlined the policies, pros and cons of each party.

Actually the vast majority of women and girls WILL have their right to not undress in front of a male attacked by a transidentified male entering their changing space. Many simply do not wish to undress in front of men whether he touches them or not! They don't want him to look, see, intimidate or attack.

More women will need to undress in public places than will ever need an abortion.

Your own post is a distraction itself

The vast majority of men wouldn’t attack you in a toilet. You don’t do away with basic safeguarding because a small minority feel and want to present differently. If you include males in a women’s space it becomes mixed sex and the word ‘woman’ meaningless in definition if it includes some men. If you can’t properly define ‘woman’ you can’t tackle the issues that affect women. It’s not a distraction, it’s a fundamental issue to lots and lots of women.

Edited to add - it’s not even about being physically attacked. It’s about privacy and dignity too. I don’t want to get changed in front of any man. The ones I know who are nice like the majority of men in my life, the arsehole ones, the trans identifying ones. All men. Entering those spaces they are pushing a boundary.

If more people understood this they’d understand why many women aren’t voting for the likes of Labour, SNP etc. The Greens have forgotten about the environment and seem to be just trans activists now.

You're welcome! 😘

please do go ahead and point to where I’ve said she can’t have her own views? My question was about that specific set of views that clearly go against their interests.

Remember that Trump was able to secure all those votes because Kamala Harris's policy was to provide state funded sex reassignment surgery to federal prisoners including rapists and murderers. If you don't want women to vote for Trump, maybe don't have policies that enable rapists and murderers to conceal their identities and express their fetish courtesy of the taxpayer.

Regarding abortion, Clinton was elected for 8 years with a mandate to bring in Federal abortion laws. Did nothing. Obama had federal abortion policy as part of his manifesto but decided not to pursue it as it wasn't a priority. The Democrats were in power between 2020-24 and still no action on abortion. Ruth Bader Ginsburg - a Democrat - refused to resign (in her 90s) from the Supreme Court during the Obama period when he could have appointed a pro-choice replacement instead dying in the Trump era so he got to choose who replaced her. Please do not tell me Democrats give a shit about women's reproductive rights.

Personally speaking, calling people thick, racist whatever is the truth. Because when you gently point out facts and truths to people like this they don't want to hear it anyway. They have made up their minds and nothing will shift them from that. I have had a few conversations in real life and online to show me that it's a waste of time.

“Kamala is for they/them, President Trump is for you” a stroke of absolutely genius political spin.

You are deciding for other women what their interests are. As demonstrated in this thread, different women have different priorities and motivations for voting.

No your question was about views that you feel are anti-women. You didnt talk about an individual voters interests.

Many have pointed out to you that different women have different interests, views and morals.

And to make it clear, this is not just about men in women's changing rooms and toilets

It's men in women's prisons, rape counselling, domestic violence shelters, single sex hospital wards, sports. It's about men taking women only places on boards/awards. It's sick and disabled women not being able to request single sex care for their intimate care needs.

If you have never had cause to worry about any of these things, lucky you. Unfortunately other women have.

And yet, their vote means as much as yours.

It was an incredible piece of comms.

But more fool the Democrats for handing him that open goal.

That’s the thing, people on this thread, including the OP, just want to sneer and look down at other women. That’s not likely to make them want to vote for your preferred options, or make them feel like you have their best interests at heart.

Indeed.

Exactly. Calling people 'thick' is generally agreed to be a terrible strategy in winning people to you cause.

Never said it didn't?

Is it in ANY woman’s interests to have her rights taken away?

Is it in ANY woman’s interests to have her rights taken away?

So, people's feelings are more important than the truth? What a bunch of softies!

Exactly.

If you go into a women’s changing room with your young daughter and there’s a bloke in there naked, looking at your young daughter while she’s getting changed, how do you get him removed - or charged - if males are allowed in there if they say some magic words?

Before all the nonsense where men’s feelings were prioritised over women’s rights and safety, we previously used to swiftly and accurately be able to identify a man in the ladies as a flasher or a Peeping Tom. It was never in our interests ro move away from this.

Did you actually bother to read my OP?