To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

[DorothyGaleFromKansas]

With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

What you need to do, OP, is listen to more of Charlie Kirk and then perhaps you will gain some insight into what is good for society. You will understand why he held certain positions, and why, they are more pro-women than what you hold yourself.

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This has been explained to you many times now.

I’m interested in why you call the concerns raised ‘anti-trans rhetoric’ when posters have been at pains to point out it’s about women’s rights.

I’ve not seen any anti-trans rhetoric on the thread, so I don’t understand what you refer to. Perhaps I’ve missed it. Are you able to quote what you think is ‘anti trans’?

Edited to make clear I’m asking @Plastictreees not @Ereshkigalangcleg . Quoted the wrong post.

@AccidentallyWesAnderson sure 👍🏻

If you don’t want to engage with trans stuff no one is obliging you to @Plastictreees 🤷‍♀️

@BunfightBetty I am able to sure. But I won’t because, for the millionth time, I am not interested in being railroaded into the anti trans debate. Please respect my boundaries around this and stop quoting me.

Thank you, so please stop quoting me and trying to railroad me into doing so. Much appreciated.

No problem. Will continue to discuss why the left has lost its way though.

I dont condone shooting people.
I dont think charlie kirk' s ideas were at all healthy.

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Do you understand how discussion forums work?

Well strong held view wise Christian women are likely to agree with lot of what Charlie says and agrees with. That means they will agree with trump as well as he supports Charlie.

What a lot of women want though is to just be recognised as women regardless.

A lot of people not just women are just bloody fed up of being called an IST for not agreeing with every belief that is suddenly popular.

He wasn't just saying that

Jess Phillips

Well that just tells me that you know you won’t find any ‘anti-trans rhetoric’ and don’t want to have to admit that. Neither do you want your own cognitive biases challenged with facts. Your discomfort around the discussion suggests a part of you at least knows your own position isn’t right, but for whatever reason you don’t want to look at it.

You can do you, of course. But you don’t get to tell other posters what they’re allowed to focus on.

In a thread where the Op asks why some women are attracted to one end of the political spectrum, trying to shut down discussion about why the opposite end is putting women off is just plain silly.

An interesting observation.. I travel the country in my job. I’ve noticed that some areas are covered in flags on roundabouts, from houses.. and some areas there is nothing ..
places with lots .. (for example)
Kingston on hull
Nottingham
Knowsley Liverpool

and some with absolutely nothing..
Guildford
Buxton
Richmond (Yorks)
Tunbridge Wells

It got me thinking .. why ?
A quick google has come up with interesting observations.

The flag heavy areas are also the areas at the top of the league table for
Social deprivation
Low educational l attainment
Highest Welfare dependency

so my question is this. Why would you wave the flag for a country that is failing you ? When the ones getting ‘all the goodies ‘ (highest social mobility , highest educational attainment, lowest welfare dependency) are not ?

The clue and the answer is in the educational attainment,.. to my mind it is straightforward. Those supporting these right wing tropes are just not very bright.

Bingo.

@FKAT you're totally misrepresented what I said. I did suggest you read what I was responding to before making such sweeping judgements, but I can see you have not. I didn't say anyone was "unkind", nor make a judgement about what women should or shouldn't do. Nor did I call anyone "unfeminist" as you have previously suggested. I refute your suggestion that I have used a misogynistic trope. I'd really prefer it if posters would read what I actually said and what I was commenting on rather than trying to reframe it into something totally different. It's unhelpful and a bit annoying honestly.

So basically those who feel the most let down by the government.

They love their home land but are fed up with the direction and feel disenfranchised and pushed out. Same as those who voted Brexit really and those who will vote reform. Also not afraid to be seen to speak out.

Im not shocked. Locally within our city the areas where the flags have popped up are more deprived parts and the odd one in wealthier areas do belong to a type.

A lot of the men in those deprived areas used to work in the warehouses and those jobs are now filled by Eastern Europeans who live in the hmos, they feel push out for others and I can’t say I’d blame them for feeling that way. They already at the bottom rung have even been pushed out there with no hope
left filled with a they stole my job.

Not saying it’s right but I can understand how they feel that way.

Yes, as I said, doing what they think best - I can see why they do it, although as a mum of a DD of nearly 10 who is developing into a women, having boys in a space where she is changing is far from ideal. One called out to her 'I can see your boobies' - he couldn't but it really upset her. At our local pool there is a sign saying no boys above 7 allowed in girls changing room, and to use the 'group changing room' if have an older child who cannot change independently, but most seem to ignore this - probably because adult males can also change in their with their daughters, and women dont want to change in same space as males. You say you make him 'face the wall' - would you be happy changing with men as long as they faced the wall?

But my main point is that they are not putting 'women's rights' above their choices, as OP has suggested we should do. People put their choices above needs of others, and that is not necessarily a betrayal of 'womenkind'.

They're from.deprived areas and have been brainwashed into thinking Reform will.make things better..I dont know whether that makes them manipulated because they are being target ruthlessly, or manipulated because they are thick.

How is that remotely helpful? Their votes are equal to yours.

His wife wasn’t allowed to have her own opinions, so 🤷‍♀️

I really don’t think that’s true. It’s very clear she had her own opinions.

Got any examples of him actually saying this or are we just making stuff up now?