To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

[DorothyGaleFromKansas]

With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

The Dictionary definition of woman is adult human female That is the definition in law too.

So we know the definition.

a woman expresses her desire to decide her feelings on woman’s interests. That’s not aggressive, defensive or anything. It’s a statement. Should she have put a smiley face? 🙂

@lifeturnsonadime Nobody is being silenced. Yet more hyperbole.

I want to discuss what the OP clearly sets out and questions. But the thread has been predictably de-railed. I’m not interested in being dragged into trans rhetoric, or slurs about the left.

Aren't the vast majority of trans women straight, white men?

It’s made a laughing stock of countless politicians, including most notably Nicola Sturgeon and Kamala Harris. It’s highly relevant to why women reject the left whether you care to acknowledge it or not.

No.
There is power to be gained from being close to the people in power. It isn't all stupidity really thought the results will be bad for women. Have you ever read The Handmaid's Tale?

I think it is so tempting as a once oppressed sex or a minority to try to appeal to the people in power with a "I'm a good one" or "I'm different" or "Look I believe what you do. I believe I am inferior in some way."

They think it will protect them but it will not.

Why are you expecting that no one is going to challenge the OP?

I didn't read any of it as nasty comments but an accurate reflection of what he said. I do wonder if his wife's opinion on the right to bear arms has changed or if she thinks (as he did) that some deaths are an unfortunate but inevitable consequence of their gun laws

@Ereshkigalangcleg How is anyone challenging the OP? The thread has descending into anti trans rhetoric and slurs about ‘the left’. Everyone seems to have forgotten the OP.

There’s no reason to believe she didn’t, or he didn’t. He wore a bullet proof vest, so he knew he was at risk himself.

You seriously believe everything that the op said is cause by transgender people.

People have told you why they think it’s a relevant point. The OP is asking why people support political views she sees ( in most cases rightly) as anti woman. People have been very clear that transgender identity politics is not popular and they see it as misogynistic and it seems like people on the left have lost the plot.

It's not being derailed. It's relevant.

It's nothing to do with trans rhetoric, it's the loss of women's rights when any man can claim to be one!

Unless you have had your head in the sand you will be aware that women have been raped by men who claim to be trans women in women's prisons and women's wards in NHS hospitals.

The left says that trans women are women so they should be in those places.

How is that not rape apology?

That's not to mention the impact on sports, rape crisis and other times that women, particularly vulnerable women, need their SEX based rights protected.

Because of purity spirals women who don't agree with left status quo wrt identity politics we have been labeled Nazi's / fascist/ far right.

So not it's not hyperbolic to say you are attempting to silence people on this thread. You are calling it a derail, you are saying this should not be discussed.

For the grammar illiterate......

“No debate” is well and truly over. Thank fuck.

“How do we fix it” - start by asking these women what they think and listening to them.

agree though suspect that although he wore a bullet proof vest I doubt he really considered he or any of his family could be killed. In any event, I do wonder the impact on the belief systems. I am pretty sure in his wifes shoes (or in future his children) I would be less keen on how widespread carrying guns is. There are more guns in the USA than people - wow

@Happyjoe
There are still dozens of men in female prisons in the UK.
Lauren Jeska is just one of them.

I don’t think pro gun people see it the same way as you. It isn’t going to prove to right wing gun people that less guns are needed, quite the opposite.

eta that I see it the same way you do. I’m not a gun supporter.

For the past ten years the left has been calling women who don't believe in gender ideology 'bigots', trying to shut down their meetings, expelling them from parties and platforms and calling them far right. When those women had no choice but to take the platforms (The Spectator for example) or venues (Heritage Foundation) that were open to them, they were smeared by association. The gender identity issue is absolutely central to a discussion of why many (not all) women have become alienated from the left-leaning liberal politics that supposedly secured and guaranteed our rights. And now we're being told we can't even mention it here.

This is exactly what is going on. On both sides of the divide.

And all the other misogynist tropes on this thread - women are aggressive if they speak in short sentences and make their own mind up about issues; right wing women are ugly; it's women's fault that men are throwing shit at the police; women who vote for their own financial interests are unkind; women who disagree with the prevalent liberal/left view of women's rights are brainwashed/stupid/in a bubble.

I do find it completely bewildering

So you don’t want people to slur the left but you’re ok with people slurring the right? Why? There are misogynistic stunts on both sides and that’s what people are pointing out. Both sides want to deprive women of their rights, they’re just using different tactics. It’s why a lot of feminists are politically homeless now.

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