To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

[DorothyGaleFromKansas]

With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

It blows my mind as well. The right wing women will say that these pigs are protecting women, whether it be via their opinions on trans folk or whatever. But they can look beyond this Kirk guy thinking pregnant child victims of rape should give birth, and Trump being a rapist? I don’t know how they can justify it. It’s either closet racism and going with who supports their ideology or it’s just an IQ issue, and observationally there does seem to be a direct correlation between people with low IQ also supporting the right wing.

It is a perfectly reasonable response that some women are turned off by extreme left wing identity politics such as transgenderism.

What's wrong with saying get married have kids then build careers? More women are seeing the appeal of 'traditional values'

That’s precisely why I used the word ‘guessing’… because I can’t be bothered to scour the thread. Oops! Maybe comprehension is not your strong point.

OP you are amazing, and so so right on all your posts! Well said 👏

Trans identifying males are overwhelmingly ‘straight, white men’ .
I think women are generally concerned about the erosion of their rights, and the lack of respect, from all sides. I have never voted for the right, but I can’t vote for the left either at the moment.

Everything you’ve written here makes it patently obvious that you haven’t got the first clue about the risks posed by the trans overreach, or why women have fought to defend and regain their rights.

If you’re interested in becoming better informed, hop over to the FWR boards and you’ll find plenty of info on the real issues (hint: they’re nothing facile like ‘women fearing trans people’). Assuming you’re open-minded enough to be able to take in info that might challenge your current level of knowledge and assumptions, of course.

Yes, Reform aren’t pro-women at all, it’s just that rightly or wrongly some women (not me) see them as more electable than other parties for a variety of reasons. Maybe there won’t be enough to matter, or maybe there will. It’s something that the other parties have to consider if they want to gain votes or win. This is a democracy after all. I’ll personally be spoiling my ballot at this rate.

This.

My ex who claimed he was a woman was a straight white man. These people saying women are harassed, assaulted etc by straight white men, that includes a lot of males claiming to be women. So forgive me if I believe the gender ideology is one of the biggest threats to women at the moment. I’ve been there. I’ve seen what these men can do.

When people come out with that “straight white men” line in response to women expressing concerns about gender identity politics, it just tells me that they don’t really have any clue what they’re talking about.

Rabid trans activism is the new men’s rights movement. In plain sight. Quite depressing that many women don’t seem to get this.

Or ‘it’s not trans women it’s white cis men!’. Two cheeks of the same arse.

So do I. Two sides of the same coin.

@Damnthemansavetheempir How about we protect the women and girls from the English white men that attack, rape and harass them on the daily!

I said exactly this to my dh. He has become quite right leaning and was going on about how migrants assault women and I agreed with him it does seem to be a concerning issue but when are people going to start protesting about the lack of convictions and proper sentences for white men.
Unfortunately I was raped at 6 by my stepfather and that is how I describe it, not to my dh I don't think he could cope. I hate that it's described as sexual assault as that seems to lessen it somehow. He was jailed eventually when I was in my thirties for 6 years and died in prison hallelujah.
Anyway I know that's not the point of the thread but it's really difficult to find a politician that cares in any capacity about women, it's depressing.

It should be possible to discuss the OP - which is questioning why women are endorsing misogynist beliefs spouted by Trump, Charlie Kirk and Andrew Tate - without attempting to centre trans issues. Not on MN though. The thread is completely derailed, as expected.

I think it's to do with the fact that many of them blindly believe that the left are the goodies.

Anyone who dissents from the party line is deemed a bigot.

So it's either that they just think left wing = the correct view without critical thought, or they know this is wrong but don't want to want to be seen to align with the baddies by questioning it.

Yep, literally the most privileged demographic on the face of the planet.

I think a minority of women are pretty right wing and pretty vocal about it. It gives the impression there are more of them than there are. Polls consistently show women are more left wing than men.

But we are discussing the fact that the left are also misogynistic and giving examples. Why do women endorse the mysoginistic beliefs of Freda Wallace, Jolson Maugham, Laverne Cox, Joe Biden Daniel Radcliffe, David Tennant etc?

No it isn't possible because the women who are perceived to align with the far right are those of us who are disenfranchised by the left's identity politics.

I think a lot of these people are just responding to their algorithm. That’s why there are a load of USA-themed posters at their UK patriotic rally

Were you not one of the people who derailed it?

You must realise that demonising people is going to result in those people wanting to correct that misrepresentation. You can't expect to jump in and say "Obviously you are all wrong, now that's agreed as a given we can talk about the topic in hand a way that aligns with my own prejudices"

Exactly. So either you make it clear that it’s not trans issues that you are alluding to, or women will assume it is @Plastictreees

but it is in part, isn’t it?