To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

[DorothyGaleFromKansas]

With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

I just find it unfathomable that some people, who have clearly never ever met an actual trans person, are so driven by trans rights they’ll get in bed with any politician who panders to it, even if every single other thing that politician does is stripping them of their freedoms and rights.

I say again - the only reason Trump and Farage want to do clearly define women’s rights isn’t because they want to protect women’s bathrooms from trans people. It’s because they want women’s rights to be really clearly set out so they can begin to dismantle them.

Yes, you find it unfathomable why many women don’t support gender identity ideology, OP. That’s a you problem, I’m afraid.

No.

Stating that a misogynistic statement is a misogynistic statement is not demonising people.

But on you go, shouting into your echo chamber with your hyperbole and deflections. 👋

Of course.

Genuine question, who, in your opinion, is the politician/political party in the UK that is most likely to protect women’s rights?

Quite, and we know they do.

Why does one need to meet a trans person in order to retain sex based rights, spaces and sports? It’s such a weird statement.

I’ve met plenty of men (trans women are men). I’ve met nice ones, I’ve met not so nice ones. So what?

I have met many trans identifying people.

The ones born male are men.
The ones born female are women.

They can dress how they like and adopt whatever name they like
but their sex is both immutable and obvious.

If "left wing" politicians want to deny reality, more fool them.
And no I did not vote for Trump, nor did I vote for Reform.

It’s not an echo chamber is it, you’re here, speaking, and people are challenging you, and you are perfectly free to challenge them 🤷‍♀️

I dont think people were being told #tobekind about their opinion about him as a person. After all, we're all entitled to an opinion. The 'be kind' was directed at those who were saying they were glad he was shot, that he deserved it and that they were celebrating his death with laughing emojis....

Again, the misogyny of men on the right doesn’t make the misogyny of men on the left any more appealing or palatable.

Ummm…met a transperson. Still not in bed with the far right. Still believe women deserve and need single sex spaces and sports. PS it’s not about bathrooms. It’s really really not. When I was being abused by my ex I was told if I didn’t respect his pronouns, I was a transphobe and deserved no sympathy. I was told tha he had things much worse and I should just “be kind” and let him do whatever he wanted as “ you don’t know his struggles”. And this was from people who were supposed to help me.

the trans right brigade don’t want women to have any rights so how are they different from the right wing people you mention?

I really don’t care about labelling ‘left’ and ‘right’. I don’t endorse any misogynist beliefs from anyone. The question is - why are some women endorsing these beliefs? Can you answer that without segueing into trans rights rhetoric…

Because they skim past all of what you’ve written above and focus on the fact they are gender critical or want to homeschool/be a sahm and the left violently rejects that. Unfortunately. It depends how much those values are important to you and then you ignore the rest. Politics.

Sadly, nothing focuses people's fear, anger and attention more than a scapegoat. It has been the most effective way of rallying the masses since the dawn of time.

It also works as an obfuscation tactic:

People! Look at that scary thing over there, while we remove your rights to make an informed decision, to protest for/against causes we don't agree with, to privacy, to control your own data, to make informed decisions about your own body based on sound, scientific evidence and to being safe in your own home.

I have pondered the same thing OP. How can any woman support sexual predators and a removal of the right to bodily autonomy regarding reproduction?

The world really has turned to shit in every possible way and as a woman I am hugely disappointed in females supporting the change. I expect shit for brains from men.

The trad wife thing beggars believe too. Why would anyone want to outsource their brain and let their husband make the decisions?

I can’t imagine giving up control over my life in that way.

Women have fought to get free of such domination and now some young women choose it?!

I think they have no real idea of complete male control because it is not within living memory for them.

They believe it scores them points with men and they can stay home and play house or shop instead going out into the world of work.

I am a labour voter, but also a sex realist.
Many of my friends are tory voters.

We have things in common and things we differ on but these days society is becoming so extreme that you apparently have to be in one club (fully accepting all the associated ideology) or the other and common ground is not allowed.

It is utter madness.

I believe most people are somewhere in the middle but the minority is so loud they are shouting down those of us who are moderate.

None of this could have happened without technology and social media.

Younger people especially have no perspective to draw on to help them see what an artificial pressure cooker they live in, and how much they need to switch off and walk away.

I’d love to wake up and this was all a bad dream and life is stable again.

The 80s /90s weren’t perfect but they look pretty good from here.

Because they fall for the rhetoric of politicians and celebrities. Because they believe that the warnings about what these politicians will do won’t affect them or their family. Because they don’t use critical thinking. Because the art of debate and the concept of nuance have been lost.

Nasty comment particularly about a man just brutally shot dead. Maybe time for you to look in the mirror.

Well how about you give an answer that doesn’t “segue into trans rights rhetoric” yourself then? Your first post on the thread was to agree with someone who mentioned it as why women support the right.

Why are you so set on not allowing anyone to discuss the fact that women’s rights are being affected by men pretending to be women? Why is no one else allowed to ask you directly why you are so set on defending the rights of men pretending to be women to have access to our SSS?

The whole point of the original question is why are some women supporting things/men/politicians that appear to not be in their best interests? Allowing men pretending to be women to erode our hard fought for rights is a good example of that, and is just as valid as anything else. Why are you trying to shut that down?

You are simplifying, women aren't identical with identical thoughts. Who are you to tell other women what to think and vote for.

What a ridiculous post

No, it isn't. I also haven't said anyone "should" do or think anything. I personally find it depressing that ANYONE would prioritise tax breaks over the safety, rights and dignity of women and girls.

This. Added to which, many UK people hadn’t even heard of him until he was shot.🙄👍

But how would you explain why someone’s attracted to something without considering what alternatives they have?

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen you've completely missed OP's point.

The word you're looking for is libel not slander but since OP's post is accurate I don't see how it could be considered libellous.