To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

[DorothyGaleFromKansas]

With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

It might be because women think the alternative is air heads who think men might be women if they wear lippie.

I think some of it will be down to lack of knowledge, I don’t support Trump but was not aware of the things you’ve mentioned about him.

I also feel that we are still in an age where women are easily influenced by men and women do not realise that many of the shit things that happen in this world are caused by men.

I'll decide for myself what counts as being for or against women's interests thanks.

Ok, so how do you think any of those things are in women’s best interests?

Name me a political party that has actually protected women’s rights? The Tories were going to bring in self id of sex in law, just as the SNP did, and Labour are still content to have men in womens prisons.
They're all as bad as each other. It’s not as simple as just saying this person is bad, that party is good etc etc . Life and politics is much more nuanced that that.

Having a vagina doesn't make stupid exempt.

YANBU it is disturbing and overwhelmingly disappointing.

It’s not just about political parties though - Charlie Kirk, for example, wasn’t a politician. It’s about an attitude towards women that is highly toxic and problematic.

Haven’t you got better things to do on a sunny Saturday than slander the dead, OP?

This really. It’s like when you used to see non-white supporters of the BNP or EDL angry about Muslims and I’m just like dude, you’re their next target!

I agree with you.

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@DorothyGaleFromKansasI completely disagree with many things CK said but I stand by his right to be able to express his own opinions. I don’t like shutting down people I don’t agree with. Much better to have the public conversation and have the discussion. Fair play to CK to going to universities and doing that.

There is a mind blowing number of women speaking and campaigning directly against their own rights and interests by supporting self id and men in women’s spaces (the speeches from the recent TUC conference were particularly painful) but that’s not what Trump, Charlie Kirk or even really Reform are about.

Strange times.

It is. Thats why its not as simple as shrugging your shoulders and saying "they're all as bad as each other" and ignoring all the issues the OP raised.

It’s not slander. No one deserves what happened to him and his death is very sad but that doesn’t take away the fact that he was a Christian fundamentalist who thought gun deaths were necessary and that if his own daughter got pregnant by rape he would make her have the child.

on the other hand you have women who are prepared to throw women’s sex based rights away to “be kind”. Would you prefer women supported that?

on the other hand you have women who are prepared to throw women’s sex based rights away to “be kind”. Would you prefer women supported that?

Can I ask what you think slander means? Those are all factual things that he said, on video.

You don't get the irony OP that you come on here telling women what they should or should not support. People make choices that suit them personally or suit society as a whole. Many women don't see their sex as the primary definition of themselves, they have larger political views. And sometimes it's a choice between two candidates who both have negative effects on women's rights but they choose the lesser of two evils. If there's one thing I can't stand is women who will vote for women above men on the basis that they offer a 'women's perspective', assuming we are a hive mind and blindly follow each other regardless of political views, this type of thinking is patronising and sexist in itself.

Who is doing that? @TobaccoFlower
Im certainly not. What I am doing it refusing to write off certain people or political parties because they may have views I disagree with.
Reform politicians hold some views I abhor but they are prepared to tackle the issue of mass immigration and it’s impact on women and girls, something I deeply wish Labour will tackle but they are terrified of being called racist.

There have always been women all across the political spectrum that would block and reverse female progress and it's always alarming.

Slander requires that something isn't true. Kirk said all those things. I'm sure he'd stand by them, too.

OP, I'm as confused by this as you are. My only answer is that the capitalism of the 21st century isn't offering women what people claimed it would (nor men either) and turning back the clock looks like an easy route to happiness.

It’s interesting there are so many posters already trying to turn this round to trans rights. The vast majority of women who are raped, murdered, abused and harassed are assaulted by straight, white men. Whatever your stance on trans rights, why does that become the issue over the violence that’s being perpetrated against women every day?

A variety of reasons

1. loads of women are fully paid up “members of the ANTi-w0ke moB” (hence alleged feminists have been defending Kirk’s views on abortion and women’s primary goal in life
2. A lot of women will support anybody who takes a stance against Trans issues even if the individual has known record of misogyny
3. Quite simply a lot of women are very conservative and very patriarchal.
4. There are also women who are xenophobic and racist