To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

[DorothyGaleFromKansas]

With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

Seriously?! 🤦‍♀️

Men who spend a lot of time trying to get other men off with rape aren't pro woman that's for sure.

Though I suspect most couples in this country vote similarly in terms of the left / right split.

Both are extremely problematic. It shouldn't be an either/or situation.

I find it scary how misogyny takes so many forms these days and is coming from all angles and political
persuasions.

Nonsense. Women did not 'cope' without the protection of employment laws. We were harassed, assaulted, belittled, overlooked for promotions that were rightfully ours and dismissed for pregnancy or for rejecting our bosses advances. To stand up and say, no more, we demand laws to protect us, is not an act of weakness, its an act of strength.
I'm curious as to why you oppose legal protections for women? What is it that you want men to be able to do to women without their consent that you fear the law may prevent them from doing?

As usual, the first comment nails it!

Probably because couples marry or cohabit with people whose politics and beliefs align. That's not the same as being told what to do.

This especially No 2.

That’s not how it’s taught in evangelical churches nor how Kirk suggested it.

But the bible is a book written by men, 1800 years ago. Do you wear any synthetic fabrics? Because the bible says that’s not allowed. Do you kill a ram every time you commit a sin? The bible says you should. Do you think people should be stoned to death if they have an affair?

People who think they should follow the bible are also just doing what men has told them. The difference is it’s really, really old men who died a long time ago.

That was your takeaway from what I wrote?

Could you point me to where Kirk discussed this then please, so I can see for myself?

I have no idea what is taught in evangelical churches, never having been in one.

Thank you.

People’s lack of historical knowledge is astounding.

Which women are endorsing them? Apart from the women who have always endorsed them who are anti abortion etc? Which women are the problem here? There have always been right wing women, Andrea Dworkin wrote a book about it.

That is a very luxury place to be in and not every woman can be in this place.

In middle America, in many ME countries, in India, in Afghanistan the culture is so toxic towards women that you do actually need that protection that women throughout all of human civilisation have needed from marauding/pillaging men.

Do you have these videos at all?

I’ve watched a lot of Charlie Kirk and haven’t seen him say that women shouldn’t be able to vote independently.

He was a fierce voices for sex based rights, which is always a VERY pro woman stance, speaking to the youth who will dictate the future.

Charlie Kirk also compared abortions to the holocaust and said abortions were worse. I've previously backed up all my statements about Charlie Kirk with proof.
Mumsnet has been invaded by rabid right wingers and they're not quiet about their hatred of women and POC.

This is such "I'm 14 and I just discovered atheism" energy.

Please just try to understand the best version of your political opponents' positions.

The context of Charlie Kirk was that he thought cherry picking random Bible verses was stupid. I'm not an evangelical Christian but I can still understand that.

You don’t really know much about Christianity, as most of what you’ve said is wrong, so perhaps it’s best not to start pontificating to women about how they should live their lives when you don’t know what you’re talking about and don’t have all the answers.

You do you, OP. I’ll live my life how I choose 😄

I’m out and about right now but that specific discussion was on the Megyn Kelly show and it is on YouTube.

Is this about Charlie Kirk? Who/where/what/when was he trying to let men off rape?

Where he told Swift to submit to Kelsey (and reject feminism) but made no such suggestion to Kelsey?

Here: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/charlie-kirk-taylor-swift-travis-kelce-engagement-b2814724.html#

Those are all clearly set out in the bible as rules to live by. If you aren’t following them then aren’t you the ones picking and choosing which bits of the bible you believe…..?

Indeed. And very galling when in their ignorance of history they rewrite mine to suit their agenda.

Those are all factually set out in the bible. Perhaps you haven’t read it properly 🤷‍♀️