Had you heard of Charlie Kirk before yesterday?

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Just that really? I hadn’t and wondering if I’m the only one. And why is it such a big story? I guess the association with trump. What would be the equivalent level of fame over here?

america being the most racist country in human history, whites over there have what is known as "white guilt". Trump and Kirk teamed up in 2020 to try and counter this white guilt by teaching, quote, "patriotic history" (censoring history and the 400 years of tyranny inflicted by the white settler entity).

Not going to work. The dominant narrative and "celebratory" (whitewashed) version of history being taught in schools is declining, and real history is being taught.

Every document now comes with a warning, including the white settler "declaration" by the racist, slave owning tyrant jefferson who dehumanized the Native people as savages (which later earned the praise of Hitler for "gunning down the millions of Redskins to a few hundred thousand and now keeping the modest remnant under observation in a cage").

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/facebook-declaration-of-independence-hate-speech

Yes his debates would come up on my tiktok.
I was shocked to hear of the shooting.

I’m not feeling any white guilt. I’m proud of what my settler ancestors have accomplished and the country they built for me and my descendants.

Seethe more on this device that my people invented, communicating on a platform my people developed, flying around on machines my people invented.

You are living in our world and are obviously incredibly resentful over it. Nothing wrong with us at all!

I'll gladly provide it for you. Here you go. That Leviticus verse is 'God's perfect law on sexual matters'

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Ok I just watched the clip and you are being most disingenuous.

He was making a point about Ms Rachel’s Biblical statement. Nowhere does he think this is appropriate, but calling out her hypocrisy in using this verse to get attention on Gaza, but ignoring the problematic statements just before it.

That you’ve seen the clip and still repeat the lie reflects badly on you, tbh

I hadn’t heard of him but my 16 year old and 12 year old had. They said there had been a lot of talk at school about it

“A dreadful man”

why? Elaborate

Did you read the other 607 posts before you asked that 😂

I hadn't heard of him but my DDs and DH had.

Oh I thought someone must have quite an intimate knowledge of a person to have such a strong opinion of them personally. I mean if they had only seen a couple of videos of them in a public setting I could understand z comment like @i find their views disgusting” but not an entire character assassination as that’s not kind or proportionate

I think it’s about social media really. If you are someone who spends a lot of time on X and TikTok, then you have more chance of hearing about him. Which is why younger people seem to know him more I think.

What - why are you assuming the person that took the hats was on the same side of politics as Charlie Kirk - many people attended who weren't fans - and the guy thatwas taking them was unlikely to be a fan of a white supremacist given his race. And we have no idea what side they guys he was passing hats to after he got one for himself were on either.

There's expressing an opinion and there's using a far reaching platform to assert political and religious ideologies aiming to shape a country.

No one should be assassinated for either.

I am cringeing at some of the worship of him that’s going on. He was a right wing social media celeb, who had repugnant views. They are ten a penny of course. But because he debated them respectfully, he is a hero? Nope.

His close friends and family have lost a loved one. He should never have been shot. But the deification and idolising of him now is just embarrassing to read.

I had, I’d read an article about him and his ultra conservative views before and been a bit horrified. Had decided he was a bit of an Andrew Tate type but more smartly dressed and more accepted mainstream.

At a Turning Point USA event in 2023, Kirk said
"We must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty... We need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. But I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment," he said.

On his self-titled radio talk show, Kirk said
"I can't stand the word empathy, actually," he said. "I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that does a lot of damage."

Appearing on Jubilee's internet show, Kirk insisted Black people were "better" in the 1940s under Jim Crow laws.
While debating a college student, Kirk said, "They were actually better in the 1940s. It was bad. It was evil. But what happened? Something changed. They committed less crimes."

Lots of people supporting CK’s right to free speech. Fine.

Then these same people commenting on the Oxford Union’s president apparently celebrating the death, and said he must be ‘mentally unstable’ and should be removed for his views. Oh the irony.

Intolerance of differing views and hypocrisy is everywhere.

I can despise that this murder happened and be deeply opposed to anyone using a gun to solve any issue, and still not be sad that this man is dead.
saying the way he lived his life and the things he said probably lead to this event isn’t justification, it’s simply true. Imagine being the parent or sibling or best friend of a child who has been shot at school. And then you read Charlie Kirk saying that we have to accept gum deaths if we want to keep the second amendment. That they are WORTH IT? if that was his response to MY CHILD being shot? I can’t say what I’d do, but it wouldn’t be nice.
If you make violent statements, if you encourage violence against others, then there is a chance you will draw the attention of such people.

I had. I am very shocked at so many posts here saying they respected him and he was a good man.
He was a racist, a mysoginist and said that gay people should be stoned to death. I wouldn’t have wanted my teenagers influenced by him. His views on gun control were that it was worth people getting shot to keep their god given right to bear arms. I do think it is terrible that he has been killed in this manner but I’m more afraid at how he is being turned into a martyr for the Right Wing and what further violence will now occur.
A school shooting took place at the same time with children seriously injured but isn’t really being reported and the Whitehouse didn’t fly their flag at half mast for the Democrat Senator and her husband (and dog) were shot and killed a few months ago but have for this private citizen. America is a very scary place right now.

It’s amazing how people are so easily impressed by a smart suit and a neat haircut.

Mid 50’s here and I had seen his content. He seemed open to debate , respectful of whoever he was debating with and as far as I could see didn’t resort to insults or bad language (unlike some of the people he was speaking to).

Dh and both Dc also heard of him.

During the same Jubilee episode, Kirk was asked what he would want his daughter to do if she were 10 years old and pregnant following rape.
After calling the scenario graphic, he responded "The answer is yes. The baby would be delivered."

On his radio show, Kirk said: "Black women do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot."

Following the tragic January collision between an American Airlines plane and a Black Hawk Army helicopter, Donald Trump said diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts were at fault. Kirk added to this when he said "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"

After Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce announced their engagement, “This is something that I hope will make Taylor Swift more conservative," he said. "Engage in reality more… Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge.”

19 y/o had

Kirk wanted to raise the age of retirement, and didn't think people should retire at all.
"Now, I will say that for future retirees, people under the age of 45, we should absolutely raise the retirement age. I'm going to say something very provocative. I'm not a fan of retirement. I don't think retirement is biblical. You say, 'Charlie, I'm just gonna retire and I'm just gonna go golf.' I think, what a waste of the gifts that God has given you."

Kirk repeatedly spread misinformation surrounding the death of George Floyd, who died from an officer applying their knee to his neck. Instead, Kirk, who is not a medical examiner and did not examine Floyd's body, claimed his death was caused by "overdose."

You prove my point.