Had you heard of Charlie Kirk before yesterday?

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Just that really? I hadn’t and wondering if I’m the only one. And why is it such a big story? I guess the association with trump. What would be the equivalent level of fame over here?

https://racism.org/articles/defining-racism/white-privilege/12835-charlie-kirk-white-supremacist

On race, Kirk was blunt and dismissive. He denied the existence of systemic racism, called white privilege a “racist idea,” and vilified critical race theory as dangerous indoctrination.

Yes he was a white supremacist.

Lol - I’m not frantically posting over all the Charlie Kirk threads trying to justify his murder.

I don’t think people should be shot dead because they hold a different opinion to me.

And you actually think you are a better person than he was 😂

Yes. Only for his abhorrent views on gun control, sexist and racist views. Oh, and how abortion is worse than the Holocaust....yeah, I'd heard of him

I mean it's a horrible thing to happen, but can't call it a 'political assassination, as we don't know who killed him.
However, I'd find it impossible to defend someone who spoke of "prowling blacks", "moronic black women", and told women to reject feminism and submit to their husbands. Odious man.

Note the byline of that article:

official urges caution as wording could have been misread or misinterpreted

US politics is wild, while the motive may seem obvious it could turn out to be anything really. Like the Trump shooter who ended up being a Republican.

Now now, didn't Charlie encourage spirited debate? No need to start personally attacking me.

He was a white suprematist.Odious views.A perfunctory google you’ll see his views on race.

More than that, he was a Christian Nationalist.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/charlie-kirk-turning-point-donald-trump-christian-nationalism-rcna156565&ved=2ahUKEwjXhtTb69GPAxXnTUEAHb4LIOUQFnoECFAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1l3oD1RlchJDaPheEEaFSl

Also, I don’t think that having a view on whether it’s ok for 10 year olds to go through pregnancy and birth is a right or left political thing - I think it’s a wanting the best for children thing. I find a lot of his views anti-human, not anti left-wing

He had several horrible views but that us not true. Or do you have evidence? Please link if so.

You're right and there is a need for free speech. However we can't conclude that words are just words and violence crosses the line. Those words empower people, for good and bad. His words were affirming that "unfortunately" some lives would be lost to guns, but he'd double down on his desire to have less gun laws and that having guns was a god given right. His speeches inspired others to believe the same. It is clear to the rest of the world that the USA has a massive gun problem. His words and inspiration will ensure future innocent lives lost to guns and sadly his was a victim to his own beliefs.

Proof, please.

He was not a white supremacist. Please provide evidence.

I had. Mid 30s

Or saying that stoning gay men to death for having sex is 'God's perfect law'?

Or that being actively gay is like being a drug addict or alcoholic?

How do you know the 18yos hadn't prepared? I could've guessed what points he would bring up, he had several beloved topics.

He said that the 9 year old who was raped by her stepdad (was 10 at the time of the abortion) should have been forced to carry her rapists baby and encouraged the arrest and charging of the dr who gave her the abortion. (She was fined $3000 for performing the abortion). So yes he was a reprehensible person and I didn’t agree with any of his views around gun control and how kids being shot in classrooms was a justifiable thing for the right to own and carry guns. Still don’t think he should have been killed for his views but he was not a nice person in any sense of the word

Not attacking anyone, just think it’s wild the amount of posters I’ve seen trying to justify this man’s murder because he holds a different opinion to them, whilst simultaneously believing that they are such a better person than he was.

People are so lost to their ideology.

vilified critical race theory as dangerous indoctrination.

That is what it is though. Should I be shot?

Or saying that stoning gay men to death for having sex is 'God's perfect law'?
Or that being actively gay is like being a drug addict or alcoholic?

So let's kill him. Right?

Whatever his views Kirk always said debate was the key and if we stopped talking that was the end. They should prove him wrong, not kill him.

I didn’t know his name but had seen some of his stuff online. Tbh I didn’t watch much because it always came round to abortion and whilst I often listen to numerous viewpoints from different sides on nearly every topic; I just cannot entertain listening to men debate abortion. It doesn’t ‘trigger’ me. It’s not that. It’s just have no time for it. Because they don’t get it. How could they.

I hadn't heard of him until today. Having watched videos of him, he was an eloquent speaker who espoused views I find despicable and hateful.

I don't think people should be killed for their political views but apparently Charlie Kirk did, as he spoke in support of guns and believed gun violence to be necessary.

His shocking death does not somehow make him into a good person or make his nasty and divisive views any better.

Let's not lie now, the proof of personal attacks is in your post.

I'm confused why you think its okay to spread vitriol and then wonder why people aren't upset about the consequences of actions? Or is it only ok when black/ gay/ Palestinian/ women are at the receiving end of violence?

I’d never heard of him but also just watched the first ten minutes of this debate.

He seemed to be an extremely right wing person skilled in debating, and was attacking and shutting down any dissent from his views.

Very scary but he didn’t deserve to die.

Never heard of him before yesterday but from what I’ve read it seems very sad that he was such a hate filled individual; I can’t imagine living my life like that.
Feel sorry for his young family though.