Page 18 | Had you heard of Charlie Kirk before yesterday?

Havetoagree · 2025-09-11T20:28:21+00:00

Just that really? I hadn’t and wondering if I’m the only one. And why is it such a big story? I guess the association with trump. What would be the equivalent level of fame over here?

Change2banon · 11/09/2025 23:51

Justagirl95 · 11/09/2025 23:47

I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

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I’ve no idea if that means you agree or disagree with his murder 😵‍💫 😳Apologies.

Justagirl95 · 11/09/2025 23:51

pugnaciouspixie · 11/09/2025 23:50

Yes. A vile opinion.

And?

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I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

Zodiacrobat · 11/09/2025 23:51

Sometimeswinning · 11/09/2025 22:05

No he wasn’t. Everything he said he could back up with his faith, beliefs and a lot of common sense.

You said he didn’t care about the death of innocents and in that same breath said the same about a guy who has done you zero harm.

A human who was executed in public. To have zero fucks says an awful lot about your character.

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His views have done a LOT of harm in the US.

EveDeservesBetter · 11/09/2025 23:52

MeTooOverHere · 11/09/2025 23:44

His opinions weren't just his opinions though. He wasn't Joe in the street. He was actively promoting the white supremacist, Christian nationalist agenda. He went around on speaking tours pushing a fundamentalist Bible-based view of how society should be and advocating for that to become the future of the USA. And for the white folks to again become the dominant race (ie forcibly deporting people with darker coloured skins).

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Pretty sure he was not a white supremacist for all his faults, but if you were able to re-write that day would you still have him shot dead in front of 3000 students and his wife and two children, for his opinions?

Should anyone die for their ideas? Does it serve them right?

pugnaciouspixie · 11/09/2025 23:56

Justagirl95 · 11/09/2025 23:51

I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

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Is this all you've got?

Quoting the man to justify his murder?

Good luck with that, flower.

Zodiacrobat · 11/09/2025 23:56

Newton161 · 11/09/2025 22:12

I’m late 40’s and knew of him. One thing he has achieved is to shine a light on how disgusting many on the left are.

He was a decent man. The reaction to his murder says a lot more about many posters than I suspect they realise.

No he wasn’t decent. Unless you are also racist, misogynistic, and fundamental nutty religious, in which case, he’s your type.

Justagirl95 · 11/09/2025 23:56

EveDeservesBetter · 11/09/2025 23:52

Pretty sure he was not a white supremacist for all his faults, but if you were able to re-write that day would you still have him shot dead in front of 3000 students and his wife and two children, for his opinions?

Should anyone die for their ideas? Does it serve them right?

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You are making a big assumption he was killed for his opinions? Maybe he slept with someone's wife, or husband?

Could it not have been gang activity? Lots of people going around in vans atm, picking people up off the street. they're pretty violent.

How do you know he was killed because he was saying things people disagreed with?

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 11/09/2025 23:57

EveDeservesBetter · 11/09/2025 23:52

Pretty sure he was not a white supremacist for all his faults, but if you were able to re-write that day would you still have him shot dead in front of 3000 students and his wife and two children, for his opinions?

Should anyone die for their ideas? Does it serve them right?

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Where is anyone getting the idea that ANYONE on here said he should die for his opinions?

Why do you and others keep saying that, when everyone is at pains to say the exact opposite?

I'll try one more time, please try to follow two trains of thought at once:

he was an unpleasant man with unpleasant opinions
murder is wrong, gun violence is awful, political assassinations are abhorrent.

Those two things are not in conflict with each other.

Seeingadistance · 11/09/2025 23:57

hamstersarse · 11/09/2025 21:31

Yes, I’ve watched lots of his content, and really respected him

Same here. Shocked and horrified by what has happened. Someone who promoted, encouraged and engaged in public and civil debate and discussion has been silenced in the most brutal way.

Willyoujustbequiet · 11/09/2025 23:57

roaringmouse · 11/09/2025 23:38

I think you may be referring to a question put to Charlie in a quick-fire debate about whether he would want (not force) his daughter to carry a pregnancy to term if she were raped. He said yes, not because he excused or minimised rape (in fact he called rape “evil”), but because, as a Christian conservative, he believed abortion itself was also evil. For him, life begins at conception, and even in horrific circumstances, that life was still sacred and worth protecting.

He made the point that when we meet someone in adulthood, we cannot tell whether they were conceived in love or violence, that their humanity and value are equal. His stance was that you don’t fight one evil with another, but with goodness. He said he would want to surround his daughter with love and raise the baby within his family.

You don’t have to agree with his position to see that he was being ideologically consistent. In this example, Charlie was holding on to a moral framework he believed in, however difficult the example put to him.

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The video I saw wasn't about his daughter but regardless it's absolutely morally repugnant.

He's not being consistent as children are not physically or psychologically ready to bear children themselves and in taking such stance he risks the very sanctity of life he claims to care so much about. His choice is evil, coercing a child to give birth is potentially tantamount to murder. Its despicable.

MeTooOverHere · 11/09/2025 23:58

EveDeservesBetter · 11/09/2025 23:52

Pretty sure he was not a white supremacist for all his faults, but if you were able to re-write that day would you still have him shot dead in front of 3000 students and his wife and two children, for his opinions?

Should anyone die for their ideas? Does it serve them right?

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No I'm not saying he should be shot dead. Don't put words into my mouth.

EveDeservesBetter · 11/09/2025 23:59

Justagirl95 · 11/09/2025 23:56

You are making a big assumption he was killed for his opinions? Maybe he slept with someone's wife, or husband?

Could it not have been gang activity? Lots of people going around in vans atm, picking people up off the street. they're pretty violent.

How do you know he was killed because he was saying things people disagreed with?

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Fuck right off with that "look, a squirrel". You know damn well why he was killed.

Justagirl95 · 12/09/2025 00:00

pugnaciouspixie · 11/09/2025 23:56

Is this all you've got?

Quoting the man to justify his murder?

Good luck with that, flower.

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But, murders are to be expected to protect their 2nd ammendment rights? Why is it a problem if it's him and not one of the 146 other MASS shootings this year?

Vivi0 · 12/09/2025 00:00

Justagirl95 · 11/09/2025 23:56

You are making a big assumption he was killed for his opinions? Maybe he slept with someone's wife, or husband?

Could it not have been gang activity? Lots of people going around in vans atm, picking people up off the street. they're pretty violent.

How do you know he was killed because he was saying things people disagreed with?

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The ammunition that killed him was engraved with transgender ideology.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/09/11/charlie-kirk-killer-ammunition-engraved-trans-messages/

Sparklechoppy · 12/09/2025 00:01

No

MeTooOverHere · 12/09/2025 00:02

VanCleefArpels · 11/09/2025 23:47

But the point is many Joes agreed with what he was saying. Now you and I may have different views, but are you saying it’s only ok to “actively promote” views with which you agree? If so, you are part of the problem Charlie Kirk was highlighting

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No, I am saying he was not 'just voicing his opinion' as the earlier commenter claimed. He was going around actively promoting an agenda that contradicts what the USA claims to stand for. He was trying to lead a change that many people don't want. A change back to a society that was more constrained with fewer personal freedoms.

Vivi0 · 12/09/2025 00:02

Justagirl95 · 12/09/2025 00:00

But, murders are to be expected to protect their 2nd ammendment rights? Why is it a problem if it's him and not one of the 146 other MASS shootings this year?

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The funny thing is, you actually consider yourself to be a better person than he was.

SapphOhNo · 12/09/2025 00:04

He should not have been killed for his opinions (assuming thats why)

His views were abhorrent and the world is better without him in it.

Justagirl95 · 12/09/2025 00:04

EveDeservesBetter · 11/09/2025 23:59

Fuck right off with that "look, a squirrel". You know damn well why he was killed.

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Oh my bad. I didn't realise we are going with the most obvious answer. Maybe we need an investigation before making declarative statements?

When i watched a man being choked to death in front of a group of people, and I said "that's racism" I was told we couldn't know that because I didn't have all the

Pinkissmart · 12/09/2025 00:04

Yes, I knew who he was. Awful misogynist.
However, it is horrific that he was murdered in that way

GingersOwner26 · 12/09/2025 00:05

No, I'd never heard of him.

CarpetKnees · 12/09/2025 00:05

Havetoagree · 11/09/2025 21:30

Ahhh ok, I’m 41 so maybe the younger generation has!

I'm in my 60s, and I had.

Saw him being rinsed by articulate, intelligent and well researched students at either the Oxford Students Union, or Cambridge (he has apparently been to both) and I read more about him then.

Whereas I don't think assassination / murder is the answer to anything, it really is hard to believe anyone holds views as horrific as some things he has said on mainstream television and public rallies.

Quite ironic that he said (in January 2023, when asked about the right to carry guns after yet another school shooting) that he was prepared to accept some people getting killed in defence of the right to carry arms (2nd amendment).

I repeat, for those at the back, this was after another school shooting.

Justagirl95 · 12/09/2025 00:05

Vivi0 · 12/09/2025 00:02

The funny thing is, you actually consider yourself to be a better person than he was.

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Nah , I know for a fact I'm a better person than you 😘

Meadowfinch · 12/09/2025 00:06

No. Reactionary political activists really aren't my thing. Especially not bible-bashing American ones. I have better things to do.

That doesn't mean I condone his murder. Everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it was pretty offensive.

Dita73 · 12/09/2025 00:07

Yes I’d heard of him. I was actually watching one of his videos yesterday morning where he was arguing with a woman about abortion