To think disruptive behaviour in schools is out of hand?

[Absentosaur]

‘Children at state schools are almost three times more likely to have their lessons disrupted by poor behaviour than their privately educated peers, a widespread survey of parents has found.’

https://archive.md/HMGtJ accessible link to article .

18% 16-18yr olds go to private school, probably for this reason a lot of the time.

Do we expect the government to do something about it, particularly given they have closed the private school doors to many? What could they be doing to improve the worst state schools??

What an indictment of the Secretary of State for Education that the immediate responses to my comment are that she would not be interested enough to glance over this thread? which, in my experience has been one of the most constructive education threads to which I have had the privilege of contributing. Thank you to everyone who has dobbed in their views. Brilliant thoughtful contributions from every point of view. Yes politics, but much much more concern that none of our kids are getting the education they need to thrive and contribute their best as adults. We are fucking this up big time.

Funny how people are so quick to shout ‘it’s a child’s legal right to receive an education’ when it’s a SEN child, and everyone’s expected to bend over backwards to accommodate it - but everyone affected negatively can just lump it. Home school or pay private 😂

Wrong end of the stick dear.

It's blatant that you would refuse either of those options, yet you expect others to do exactly that. If you don't want to home school your child even though you say it's not suitable due to disruption, how can you expect others to home school their child when the school is not suitable due to inadequate funding?

All children have the right to a suitable education.

Asking the question very openly, how qualified does a person need to be to home school? DH and I took our only child away to travel for six months to celebrate DH's return from near death when DC was 8, with the school's blessing. I am reasonably well educated, but in humanities. Teaching an 8 year old routine stuff was difficult, but museums and models saved my bacon. I don't think I could home ed a clever teen in the sciences. Please answer if you have managed it.

Nonsense. I and many many others did just that. Took my well behaved, eager to learn child out of state as they couldn’t get an education there due to others.

What wrong with small children sitting on their parents lap on a busy train when adults are standing, that's the way l was brought up.

Parents who successfully homeschool dont always teach all the subjects themselves. So they might get
tutors, use online schools or home ed groups to cover the sciences.

But actually there arent many checks and you could just not teach science at all if you felt that wasnt suitable for your childs sen. The law says something about a suitable full time education but doesnt seem to specify what it is. My son is in an sen school and they dont do gcses or study all the subjects, but do therapies so I guess a home schooler is ok to do that too. Also children in school fail science gcse often enough.

But you aren't the poster I was replying to?

@Fearfulsaints, thank you very much for your reply, I do appreciate it, but it doesn't suggest that you are expecting much academic success from your tuition.

So what? The point still stands.

When did TAs first start coming into schools? There weren't any when I was at school and my eldest daughter didn't have them either

Was one teacher and the kids

Yes sweetheart, ideally all children should have a suitable education. But I see no sign anything will change for the better anytime soon.

Im not a homeschooling. My son is going to an sen school. I just know lots of homeschooling

Those expecting academic success use tutors online schools and home ed groups to supplement gaps in thier own personal skills.

So you dont personally have to be qualified to achieve this.

But you do t have to. Threes no law

Not in the slightest. They haven't been telling people to remove their child, have they?

If you actually wanted to do something about it, you'd campaign for adequate SEN funding. But you don't actually give a shiny shit. You can't be bothered to home school or pay private because it's your child's right to receive a free education. But fuck anyone else, eh!

For the record, my DC with SEN was not in the slightest bit disruptive. She'd sit there silently not having a clue what was going on. She'd play with the y3s at break when she was y6 because she couldn't communicate on a y6 level. But it took years to fight the council for a special place even though it was a complete waste of everyone's time and effort for her to be in mainstream. We paid for private for a while to see if a small class would help. It didn't. And living in the SE we need 2 incomes so homeschooling wasn't an option.

Thanks @Fearfulsaints . I won't be following, but I appreciate your input.

We had TAs when I was in the Infants (1980-82).
They might have been called a different name but they were there.

I started in 1976 there wasn't any My daughter in 1996 and she didn't have one either

Was the teacher and kids. .

Calm down dear.

No, not interested in campaigning. Why would I? It’s not my problem.

And no need for the sweary rant, which is all assumptions on your part anyway. I don’t recall mentioning my child’s current educational arrangements.

@hungryduck

”But it took years to fight the council for a special place even though it was a complete waste of everyone's time and effort for her to be in mainstream.”

Did you consider private school or home school? Considering you have such a poor opinion of those wanting a free education…

Reading isn't your strength, huh?

I’m hoping the shift from gentle parenting to FAFO parenting will make a difference in a few years.

I have not read the full thread but do agree as a secondary teacher, behaviour is worse now than I can remember. I have been in the same school for nearly 2 decades.

We have had a lot of education secretaries in recent years since Gove. How long the current one stays in the role remains to be seen. However we have now actually now got a junior minister who actually holds QTS and has more recent classroom experience than Baroness Smith. We can but hope that they can use their experience as a teacher and working in that sector to help improve services to support families and schools. They seem to be doing good work in their constituency to support their constituents.

But it is your problem though ,your child’s educatIon is being impacted by lack of SEN provision. This is all of ours problem

If you think having hordes of children not in school, not being educated or safeguarded and basically being given up on is not going to in any way impinge on your or your children’s lives, either as children or adults, you are living in fantasy land or on a very remote island. The impact on crime, mental health and benefits alone would be massive. I’m afraid part of being in society is that those kids are your problem, whether you choose to deal with them in schools or another way. They won’t just conveniently disappear.

Are they not also their parents and their own problem.
Or are we still on the bandwagon of the biggest problem causers and takers not having to have any responsibility at all?
So we live in a society of threat?
Give us what we want, let us do what we want or else?